1 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:16,890 this hope radio for the masses headliner 2 00:00:22,679 --> 00:00:20,890 between July 8 1947 the Army Air Forces 3 00:00:24,510 --> 00:00:22,689 has announced that a flying bear has 4 00:00:26,940 --> 00:00:24,520 been found and is now in the possession 5 00:00:29,930 --> 00:00:26,950 of the army the game is rigged 6 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:29,940 change the game changer 7 00:00:37,250 --> 00:00:32,970 I occasionally think how quickly our 8 00:00:39,890 --> 00:00:37,260 differences worldwide would vanish if we 9 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:39,900 were facing an alien threat from outside 10 00:00:51,830 --> 00:00:49,010 fade to black with your host Jimmy 11 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:51,840 church on the game-changer radio network 12 00:00:58,310 --> 00:00:54,130 and a GRA 13 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:08,010 I need your help to get to the year 1985 14 00:01:21,289 --> 00:01:11,200 like with Jimmy judge on the game change 15 00:01:21,299 --> 00:01:27,700 good evening 16 00:01:40,580 --> 00:01:34,510 fade to black the spoke radio for the 17 00:01:52,289 --> 00:01:40,590 masses how you doing how you doing it's 18 00:01:55,950 --> 00:01:54,539 we are live from a bunker somewhere in 19 00:01:58,289 --> 00:01:55,960 the middle of beautiful downtown Burbank 20 00:02:00,630 --> 00:01:58,299 California and I would like to welcome 21 00:02:05,340 --> 00:02:00,640 everybody listening all around the world 22 00:02:09,359 --> 00:02:05,350 all across the United States hither and 23 00:02:11,430 --> 00:02:09,369 thither to and fro back and forth up and 24 00:02:15,660 --> 00:02:11,440 down east and west north and south far 25 00:02:18,059 --> 00:02:15,670 and near this is fade to black for kjc 26 00:02:22,170 --> 00:02:18,069 are the game changer network of K GRA 27 00:02:25,350 --> 00:02:22,180 the planet I'm yours Jimmy Church what 28 00:02:26,670 --> 00:02:25,360 is rock and everybody how you doing I 29 00:02:29,699 --> 00:02:26,680 didn't do it 30 00:02:34,229 --> 00:02:29,709 all right I know you've been waiting for 31 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:34,239 this tonight's the night we have very 32 00:02:40,740 --> 00:02:36,970 special guests contact eat Chris Bledsoe 33 00:02:42,650 --> 00:02:40,750 is here for the very first time he'll be 34 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:42,660 with us at the bottom of the hour 35 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:47,170 tomorrow night Richard leapin dough 36 00:02:55,020 --> 00:02:51,090 Lynette that's what I'm talking about 37 00:02:55,380 --> 00:02:55,030 wow what a great week Jim good all last 38 00:03:08,129 --> 00:02:55,390 night 39 00:03:14,750 --> 00:03:08,139 Spira see part two man and then we jump 40 00:03:18,569 --> 00:03:14,760 in the car when we head to Vegas oh man 41 00:03:22,530 --> 00:03:18,579 I can't do but I would love to take next 42 00:03:26,339 --> 00:03:22,540 week off can't get that not gonna do 43 00:03:31,710 --> 00:03:26,349 can't that somebody sent me an e-mail 44 00:03:35,370 --> 00:03:31,720 today that said Jimmy you have done over 45 00:03:40,759 --> 00:03:35,380 a thousand shows and in those thousand 46 00:03:48,559 --> 00:03:40,769 shows you say tither hither and thither 47 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:48,569 that you are saying it wrong and that 48 00:03:59,759 --> 00:03:50,410 it's supposed to be 49 00:04:05,490 --> 00:03:59,769 thither now let me explain something to 50 00:04:08,490 --> 00:04:05,500 you that intro which will never change 51 00:04:12,839 --> 00:04:08,500 but they hither and thither to and fro 52 00:04:15,670 --> 00:04:12,849 I'm gonna tell you where I got it from 53 00:04:16,210 --> 00:04:15,680 want me to you guys want me to share 54 00:04:18,310 --> 00:04:16,220 that with you 55 00:04:20,710 --> 00:04:18,320 you want me to tell you where I stole it 56 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:20,720 from because I'm okay with that I mean 57 00:04:26,860 --> 00:04:23,690 you know I steal everything but do you 58 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:26,870 want to know where I stole hither and 59 00:04:31,689 --> 00:04:29,930 thither to and fro back and forth do you 60 00:04:32,999 --> 00:04:31,699 want to know who I stole it from because 61 00:04:36,310 --> 00:04:33,009 I did I stole it 62 00:04:40,390 --> 00:04:36,320 I'm waiting I'm gonna watch Twitter here 63 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:40,400 I want somebody to go and say yeah Jimmy 64 00:04:45,249 --> 00:04:43,130 we want to know okay and then I'll let 65 00:04:49,029 --> 00:04:45,259 you know you can follow me on Twitter at 66 00:04:56,110 --> 00:04:49,039 Jay radio that's right hither and 67 00:04:59,050 --> 00:04:56,120 thither at Jay Church radio a teachers 68 00:05:03,600 --> 00:04:59,060 radio the sandbox is hashtag F to be on 69 00:05:07,270 --> 00:05:03,610 a thin thinner Twitter on Twitter 70 00:05:09,370 --> 00:05:07,280 hashtag F to be on Twitter hashtag F to 71 00:05:11,020 --> 00:05:09,380 be on Twitter that is the sandbox 72 00:05:15,129 --> 00:05:11,030 love hanging out with all of you guys 73 00:05:17,110 --> 00:05:15,139 and where am I at hashtag F to be Q is 74 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:17,120 fade to black questions you can also 75 00:05:24,100 --> 00:05:20,090 email throughout the show Jimmy at Jimmy 76 00:05:27,610 --> 00:05:24,110 Church radio.com oh I don't want okay 77 00:05:33,399 --> 00:05:27,620 so Cassandra in Twitter says yeah go 78 00:05:40,529 --> 00:05:33,409 ahead whatever tell us hither and 79 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:40,539 thither to and fro comes from the movie 80 00:05:51,610 --> 00:05:46,370 fear of a black hat that's right fear of 81 00:05:55,270 --> 00:05:51,620 a black hat and if you haven't seen fear 82 00:05:59,080 --> 00:05:55,280 of a black hat absolutely one of the 83 00:06:01,320 --> 00:05:59,090 funniest movies ever made very very 84 00:06:05,350 --> 00:06:01,330 funny 85 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:05,360 controversial fear of a black hat watch 86 00:06:14,050 --> 00:06:09,970 the movie there is a scene in the movie 87 00:06:16,140 --> 00:06:14,060 where one of the rappers in the band is 88 00:06:20,670 --> 00:06:16,150 down in his 89 00:06:27,100 --> 00:06:20,680 bunker showing off his gun collection 90 00:06:29,350 --> 00:06:27,110 and he says to the host the interviewer 91 00:06:32,350 --> 00:06:29,360 in this mockumentary documentary her 92 00:06:34,450 --> 00:06:32,360 name is Nina Blackburn a take of Nina 93 00:06:40,779 --> 00:06:34,460 Blackwood off of MTV that's another 94 00:06:44,679 --> 00:06:40,789 story but and he says hither and thither 95 00:06:47,980 --> 00:06:44,689 to and fro back and forth and the way 96 00:06:52,779 --> 00:06:47,990 that he says it it is so funny and and I 97 00:06:55,329 --> 00:06:52,789 is just like man I stole it I stole I 98 00:06:57,639 --> 00:06:55,339 stole it so there it is see I just came 99 00:07:01,149 --> 00:06:57,649 clean I came clean that's where that 100 00:07:03,689 --> 00:07:01,159 comes from so it will always be tither 101 00:07:06,369 --> 00:07:03,699 and if you're gonna send me an email 102 00:07:08,170 --> 00:07:06,379 that says something like that in it and 103 00:07:09,689 --> 00:07:08,180 you don't know where the humor comes 104 00:07:16,809 --> 00:07:09,699 from and you haven't seen the movie 105 00:07:23,290 --> 00:07:16,819 that's not on me it's black hat not 106 00:07:27,010 --> 00:07:23,300 black cat fear of a black hat is the 107 00:07:29,199 --> 00:07:27,020 name of the movie fear of a black hat 108 00:07:33,309 --> 00:07:29,209 and if you haven't seen it this audience 109 00:07:35,170 --> 00:07:33,319 you got to get inside my head yeah and 110 00:07:37,719 --> 00:07:35,180 you guys are close you guys are close 111 00:07:39,129 --> 00:07:37,729 you are inside my head you guys know 112 00:07:40,779 --> 00:07:39,139 what I'm gonna say before I'm gonna say 113 00:07:43,509 --> 00:07:40,789 it you listen to way too many shows and 114 00:07:45,489 --> 00:07:43,519 we hang out too much but fear of a black 115 00:07:47,409 --> 00:07:45,499 hat and if you haven't seen it that's it 116 00:07:51,219 --> 00:07:47,419 that's your required viewing for the 117 00:07:54,329 --> 00:07:51,229 night Rita pop up a link to fear of a 118 00:07:57,100 --> 00:07:54,339 black hat Nina 119 00:08:01,529 --> 00:07:57,110 fear of a black hat did you pop up a 120 00:08:02,739 --> 00:08:01,539 picture of Nina there she is oh my god 121 00:08:17,350 --> 00:08:02,749 Nina 122 00:08:19,329 --> 00:08:17,360 she looked younger but she was probably 123 00:08:22,389 --> 00:08:19,339 40 because I think today somebody should 124 00:08:26,050 --> 00:08:22,399 find out because I'm sure she is 125 00:08:27,639 --> 00:08:26,060 tiller sounds better seen fear of a 126 00:08:29,790 --> 00:08:27,649 black hat good for you 127 00:08:32,350 --> 00:08:29,800 see tirana you get me 128 00:08:38,020 --> 00:08:32,360 yeah there you go Old English 129 00:08:40,890 --> 00:08:38,030 pronunciation a January 2007 Chris 130 00:08:43,659 --> 00:08:40,900 Bledsoe senior came face to face with 131 00:08:45,850 --> 00:08:43,669 extraterrestrial beings and had missing 132 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:45,860 time although he wouldn't recall the 133 00:08:49,510 --> 00:08:47,210 details of that first terrifying 134 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:49,520 encounter until hypnosis a year and a 135 00:08:54,820 --> 00:08:51,530 half later while on the banks of the 136 00:08:56,860 --> 00:08:54,830 Cape Fear River Chris his son Chris jr. 137 00:08:58,750 --> 00:08:56,870 and three of his subcontractors 138 00:09:00,460 --> 00:08:58,760 discovered they were about to experience 139 00:09:03,190 --> 00:09:00,470 the most harrowing day of their lives 140 00:09:06,070 --> 00:09:03,200 involving unexplained phenomena leading 141 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:06,080 them to believe this was the end of the 142 00:09:08,500 --> 00:09:08,090 world we'll be discussing all of this 143 00:09:10,690 --> 00:09:08,510 tonight 144 00:09:12,700 --> 00:09:10,700 MUFON then sent their highest trained 145 00:09:15,700 --> 00:09:12,710 team to investigate the encounter only 146 00:09:17,980 --> 00:09:15,710 to attempt to debunk and ridicule the 147 00:09:20,110 --> 00:09:17,990 Bledsoe family their experience was 148 00:09:22,510 --> 00:09:20,120 featured on the Discovery Channel's 2008 149 00:09:25,390 --> 00:09:22,520 series UFOs over the earth the 150 00:09:26,980 --> 00:09:25,400 Fayetteville incident multiple 151 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:26,990 three-letter agencies have been involved 152 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:29,450 with the Bledsoe case bringing increased 153 00:09:34,420 --> 00:09:31,250 attention and mystery to this 154 00:09:37,540 --> 00:09:34,430 ever-evolving story he currently lives 155 00:09:41,020 --> 00:09:37,550 in North Carolina with his wife and four 156 00:09:42,790 --> 00:09:41,030 adult children nearby and I am really 157 00:09:44,560 --> 00:09:42,800 looking forward to this conversation 158 00:09:45,940 --> 00:09:44,570 tonight and I would like everybody to 159 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:45,950 welcome for the first time to fade to 160 00:09:49,300 --> 00:09:46,490 black 161 00:09:50,340 --> 00:09:49,310 Chris Bledsoe Chris good evening man how 162 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:50,350 you doing 163 00:09:56,620 --> 00:09:54,290 doing great yeah thank you for having me 164 00:10:00,270 --> 00:09:56,630 yeah no thank you but you know what 165 00:10:05,470 --> 00:10:00,280 Chris you get the first time gas 166 00:10:08,020 --> 00:10:05,480 disclaimer let's get that out of the way 167 00:10:10,030 --> 00:10:08,030 first which is this and do you like my 168 00:10:11,410 --> 00:10:10,040 nervous laugh I hope you just shift it 169 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:11,420 in your seat a little bit like what's 170 00:10:17,470 --> 00:10:14,330 all this about but the first time guest 171 00:10:19,420 --> 00:10:17,480 a disclaimer is this Chris is just you 172 00:10:21,130 --> 00:10:19,430 and I sitting on my couch having a 173 00:10:23,470 --> 00:10:21,140 conversation as friends and where that 174 00:10:25,330 --> 00:10:23,480 conversation starts it starts where it 175 00:10:29,530 --> 00:10:25,340 ends it ends but we're gonna end his 176 00:10:31,750 --> 00:10:29,540 friends see that was easy you ready I'm 177 00:10:33,970 --> 00:10:31,760 ready okay next time you're on the show 178 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:33,980 you don't get the first-time guest it's 179 00:10:38,380 --> 00:10:35,930 claimed or so enjoy this moment 180 00:10:43,020 --> 00:10:38,390 okay let's Zen out together but it's 181 00:10:49,350 --> 00:10:43,030 gonna be fun this is your your 182 00:10:50,670 --> 00:10:49,360 case which is ongoing and we had a 183 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:50,680 little conversation before the show 184 00:10:56,430 --> 00:10:52,210 tonight we don't need to discuss that 185 00:11:00,020 --> 00:10:56,440 but you know it's obviously ongoing all 186 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:00,030 the way up to Showtime tonight right so 187 00:11:09,210 --> 00:11:04,330 which it's caught the attention of quite 188 00:11:11,580 --> 00:11:09,220 a few people and when you get into this 189 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:11,590 community like you have been and you've 190 00:11:16,830 --> 00:11:13,210 been embraced and that's been been 191 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:16,840 awesome but you have to discuss these 192 00:11:21,450 --> 00:11:19,210 things and this involves your family and 193 00:11:23,940 --> 00:11:21,460 your kids and in your home and your 194 00:11:28,590 --> 00:11:23,950 neighbors and and your town and the next 195 00:11:32,970 --> 00:11:28,600 thing you know you're that guy how how 196 00:11:37,170 --> 00:11:32,980 has it been for you are you better now 197 00:11:40,580 --> 00:11:37,180 discussing these subjects then when 198 00:11:45,830 --> 00:11:40,590 things kicked off back in 2007 199 00:11:48,690 --> 00:11:45,840 absolutely 100% has totally changed from 200 00:11:50,730 --> 00:11:48,700 but the general population the public's 201 00:11:55,530 --> 00:11:50,740 changed their perception of this thing 202 00:11:58,200 --> 00:11:55,540 and people back then was totally I mean 203 00:12:03,150 --> 00:11:58,210 it's just changed people are more 204 00:12:04,890 --> 00:12:03,160 accepting as what I've found and I'm 205 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:04,900 just coming public for the first time 206 00:12:10,500 --> 00:12:07,330 and really in like eight years this this 207 00:12:13,350 --> 00:12:10,510 this Richard doll and then yourself you 208 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:13,360 know so well what about your neighbors 209 00:12:22,590 --> 00:12:17,530 are you are you the the the UFO guy on 210 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:22,600 the block what's that like when you go 211 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:24,450 out and get your mail in the morning 212 00:12:30,510 --> 00:12:27,610 well what makes it bad is as I was 213 00:12:32,790 --> 00:12:30,520 pretty popular guy in town because my 214 00:12:35,700 --> 00:12:32,800 father was well-known builder my wife's 215 00:12:40,260 --> 00:12:35,710 father was a well-known builder and I 216 00:12:44,130 --> 00:12:40,270 took I went into their foot tracks you 217 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:44,140 know and continued that building then it 218 00:12:53,100 --> 00:12:47,650 was such that Rawley which is 60 miles 219 00:12:56,220 --> 00:12:53,110 away their general like WRAL TV they 220 00:12:56,910 --> 00:12:56,230 would send their people just to to get 221 00:13:02,040 --> 00:12:56,920 my 222 00:13:03,060 --> 00:13:02,050 such so I was really well-known and when 223 00:13:06,180 --> 00:13:03,070 it all happened 224 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:06,190 you know I thought the whole world would 225 00:13:12,050 --> 00:13:08,410 want to know and after I told it I found 226 00:13:15,090 --> 00:13:12,060 out real quick I became everybody's 227 00:13:19,889 --> 00:13:15,100 whisper everybody making fun and 228 00:13:22,350 --> 00:13:19,899 thinking I'm crazy and this it was awful 229 00:13:27,900 --> 00:13:22,360 it has been but things are much better 230 00:13:30,210 --> 00:13:27,910 now the describe for me because we're 231 00:13:33,449 --> 00:13:30,220 gonna be discussing this throughout the 232 00:13:35,910 --> 00:13:33,459 night tonight tell me about your 233 00:13:39,449 --> 00:13:35,920 neighborhood and what's the lay of the 234 00:13:42,629 --> 00:13:39,459 land there well as sport bragg north 235 00:13:44,970 --> 00:13:42,639 carolina so there's like 60,000 enlisted 236 00:13:47,670 --> 00:13:44,980 soldiers or somewhere there about and a 237 00:13:50,430 --> 00:13:47,680 very big retirement area for the VA 238 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:50,440 because of you know several veterans 239 00:13:57,030 --> 00:13:54,250 hospitals here and me being a builder 240 00:13:59,280 --> 00:13:57,040 and advertising you know my company name 241 00:14:01,530 --> 00:13:59,290 was Bledsoe home builders and we built a 242 00:14:05,060 --> 00:14:01,540 hundred homes a year close to it or more 243 00:14:08,970 --> 00:14:05,070 at times and so I was well known by 244 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:08,980 everyone and it's flatland it's we're in 245 00:14:15,389 --> 00:14:12,850 the coastal plain which is flat you go 246 00:14:18,449 --> 00:14:15,399 towards bragg west of us about 20 miles 247 00:14:22,319 --> 00:14:18,459 and you start getting into the Piedmont 248 00:14:25,050 --> 00:14:22,329 they call it or the sand hills and but 249 00:14:27,329 --> 00:14:25,060 it's generally Fayetteville North 250 00:14:29,310 --> 00:14:27,339 Carolina is a small town and it's 251 00:14:30,630 --> 00:14:29,320 growing now but I would say there's a 252 00:14:32,939 --> 00:14:30,640 quarter million people 253 00:14:36,930 --> 00:14:32,949 well that sense yeah that's that that's 254 00:14:38,850 --> 00:14:36,940 that's not at that city status right 255 00:14:42,809 --> 00:14:38,860 that's you know that's that's that's 256 00:14:46,259 --> 00:14:42,819 getting up there 250,000 is a pretty big 257 00:14:47,910 --> 00:14:46,269 metropolitan area and of course Fort 258 00:14:49,139 --> 00:14:47,920 Bragg is not small 259 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:49,149 that's one of the biggest military 260 00:14:54,329 --> 00:14:51,130 installations in the country no doubt 261 00:14:56,870 --> 00:14:54,339 right absolutely and the towns join it 262 00:15:00,269 --> 00:14:56,880 there's it's like anywhere else the the 263 00:15:02,550 --> 00:15:00,279 surrounding towns like Lumberton there's 264 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:02,560 20 miles away but it's all beginning to 265 00:15:09,059 --> 00:15:06,610 join together and so I would say in the 266 00:15:10,740 --> 00:15:09,069 state of 13 million people or 12 and a 267 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:10,750 half million people there is whole 268 00:15:16,190 --> 00:15:13,330 a lot of them between us in Raleigh I 269 00:15:19,590 --> 00:15:16,200 mean we're right in the middle of it 270 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:19,600 Raleigh Durham Chapel Hill all the way 271 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:23,770 to Wilmington is just uh pretty crowded 272 00:15:28,740 --> 00:15:26,050 so there's a there's a lot of people 273 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:28,750 that know this story in this area and 274 00:15:35,610 --> 00:15:33,130 also and you know I've been through 275 00:15:37,500 --> 00:15:35,620 there many many times I've stayed at 276 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:37,510 Chapel Hill I've stayed on the campus 277 00:15:46,710 --> 00:15:43,090 and it is it's for the United States 278 00:15:49,610 --> 00:15:46,720 it's it's old it's established the 279 00:15:55,170 --> 00:15:49,620 families have been there for a long time 280 00:15:59,010 --> 00:15:55,180 for generations there are for the large 281 00:16:01,830 --> 00:15:59,020 part I would say pretty wealthy right I 282 00:16:05,700 --> 00:16:01,840 I mean it's got all demographics there 283 00:16:08,460 --> 00:16:05,710 but it is a beautiful you do drive 284 00:16:12,330 --> 00:16:08,470 through there and you just see America 285 00:16:15,870 --> 00:16:12,340 don't you yes this is the Research 286 00:16:20,490 --> 00:16:15,880 Triangle Park you have major schools 287 00:16:24,390 --> 00:16:20,500 like NC State the Wolfpack the Tar Heels 288 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:24,400 Chapel Hill Wake Forest Duke University 289 00:16:31,350 --> 00:16:27,010 is all within an hour hour and a half of 290 00:16:33,990 --> 00:16:31,360 where I live and Wilmington is in the 291 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:34,000 south for me only an hour and a half 292 00:16:37,770 --> 00:16:36,250 away so we're kind of right in the 293 00:16:39,300 --> 00:16:37,780 middle yeah it's beautiful 294 00:16:41,700 --> 00:16:39,310 it's beautiful to go through those hills 295 00:16:43,590 --> 00:16:41,710 and just drive in the trees and it's 296 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:43,600 like wow there's Duke Oh Raleigh Durham 297 00:16:51,870 --> 00:16:46,210 oh we're here you know at Chapel Hill 298 00:16:55,470 --> 00:16:51,880 and it's all right there it's a it's a 299 00:17:00,240 --> 00:16:55,480 beautiful part of the country but it's 300 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:00,250 also because of where Fort Bragg is I 301 00:17:04,250 --> 00:17:02,170 think that that may have something to do 302 00:17:09,300 --> 00:17:04,260 with your case we'll discuss that later 303 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:09,310 but to have this kind of paranormal 304 00:17:18,270 --> 00:17:14,410 activity and it's not just UFOs is it or 305 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:18,280 an et presence it's it's there's a lot 306 00:17:23,610 --> 00:17:21,010 of things that have been going on and as 307 00:17:24,370 --> 00:17:23,620 we get into the details of this do you 308 00:17:29,140 --> 00:17:24,380 think 309 00:17:31,779 --> 00:17:29,150 Chris that all of this is connected that 310 00:17:34,590 --> 00:17:31,789 it's not a separate series of events 311 00:17:37,900 --> 00:17:34,600 that everything is related to each other 312 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:37,910 absolutely and I've maintained that 313 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:41,570 position for more than 13 years and you 314 00:17:48,370 --> 00:17:44,090 know a lot of people back then was all 315 00:17:50,799 --> 00:17:48,380 nuts and bolts and honestly I got 316 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:50,809 basically ostracized from the UFO 317 00:17:56,620 --> 00:17:53,450 community because I'm talking spiritual 318 00:18:00,130 --> 00:17:56,630 and they're talking nuts and bolts and 319 00:18:03,610 --> 00:18:00,140 so that was a pretty downer when the 320 00:18:06,250 --> 00:18:03,620 community you know clay 321 00:18:08,140 --> 00:18:06,260 I just lost every friend I had because 322 00:18:11,409 --> 00:18:08,150 of the way they were making fun of 323 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:11,419 myself and my children would go to 324 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:14,210 school and they would get called up 325 00:18:18,340 --> 00:18:16,330 front that happened more than once and 326 00:18:20,230 --> 00:18:18,350 questioned about their dad and their 327 00:18:25,350 --> 00:18:20,240 friends were know your dad's crazy 328 00:18:30,850 --> 00:18:25,360 because of the show that discovery and 329 00:18:35,260 --> 00:18:30,860 leucon created and it was just it was a 330 00:18:38,289 --> 00:18:35,270 mess well that's the the transition that 331 00:18:42,130 --> 00:18:38,299 you're talking about I think is a real 332 00:18:46,120 --> 00:18:42,140 one because there was certainly a period 333 00:18:48,789 --> 00:18:46,130 and if you go back to the the early 334 00:18:50,830 --> 00:18:48,799 1990s well and before but throughout the 335 00:18:53,140 --> 00:18:50,840 when when things started to take off for 336 00:18:55,060 --> 00:18:53,150 the UFO community people wanted to know 337 00:18:58,029 --> 00:18:55,070 what was it what was it like inside of 338 00:18:59,649 --> 00:18:58,039 the flying saucer you know what was what 339 00:19:01,450 --> 00:18:59,659 was it like with it what were the 340 00:19:03,549 --> 00:19:01,460 controls liked was it you know they 341 00:19:06,370 --> 00:19:03,559 wanted to know this nuts and bolts 342 00:19:08,860 --> 00:19:06,380 aspect of it and they wanted these 343 00:19:12,820 --> 00:19:08,870 descriptions that I think many couldn't 344 00:19:16,930 --> 00:19:12,830 actually give but that was the view of 345 00:19:20,789 --> 00:19:16,940 ufology back then today and we're 346 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:20,799 starting to understand physics an 347 00:19:28,450 --> 00:19:23,690 interdimensional ell worlds and these 348 00:19:30,779 --> 00:19:28,460 type of constructs where the et question 349 00:19:34,030 --> 00:19:30,789 well it may be nuts and bolts and 350 00:19:36,789 --> 00:19:34,040 metallic flying saucers but there may be 351 00:19:38,050 --> 00:19:36,799 something else involved here and we're 352 00:19:41,170 --> 00:19:38,060 starting to understand that 353 00:19:43,330 --> 00:19:41,180 so your case has resurfaced because 354 00:19:45,100 --> 00:19:43,340 you've been talking about this for so 355 00:19:50,290 --> 00:19:45,110 long do you feel a little bit vindicated 356 00:19:52,510 --> 00:19:50,300 in this I absolutely do and I had been 357 00:19:56,230 --> 00:19:52,520 for a long time not in the public but at 358 00:19:59,070 --> 00:19:56,240 least with my parents and my kids 359 00:20:02,650 --> 00:19:59,080 friends because some of these 360 00:20:05,500 --> 00:20:02,660 three-letter people that I became very 361 00:20:09,820 --> 00:20:05,510 good friends with actually came to our 362 00:20:12,100 --> 00:20:09,830 house early on and one of them 363 00:20:14,740 --> 00:20:12,110 specifically met with my parents and 364 00:20:18,970 --> 00:20:14,750 told him you have no idea because they 365 00:20:21,540 --> 00:20:18,980 thought I was crazy and actually a 366 00:20:25,420 --> 00:20:21,550 friend of ours I can't say his name but 367 00:20:28,810 --> 00:20:25,430 everybody would know him he came well 368 00:20:33,310 --> 00:20:28,820 I'll just tell you Jim came several 369 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:33,320 years ago and asked my kids to invite 370 00:20:37,990 --> 00:20:35,930 their friends over anybody that didn't 371 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:38,000 believe in their father and he set him 372 00:20:44,230 --> 00:20:40,730 down and said you need to believe I mean 373 00:20:46,990 --> 00:20:44,240 he's not telling the story and so that 374 00:20:49,690 --> 00:20:47,000 alone helped us more than anything as a 375 00:20:53,740 --> 00:20:49,700 family and it drew us together we felt 376 00:20:56,830 --> 00:20:53,750 isolated from all the attacks but we 377 00:20:58,960 --> 00:20:56,840 felt vindicated as a family because they 378 00:21:02,350 --> 00:20:58,970 were experiencing it and still are just 379 00:21:06,460 --> 00:21:02,360 like you know just like I was that night 380 00:21:08,380 --> 00:21:06,470 it never left and still here now I want 381 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:08,390 to talk and we'll do this much much 382 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:11,690 later but you bring up your kids and 383 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:15,490 your family and we're gonna go back to 384 00:21:22,450 --> 00:21:18,290 2007 in two minutes but I just want to 385 00:21:25,330 --> 00:21:22,460 say this I watched a couple of times the 386 00:21:29,140 --> 00:21:25,340 series of videos that your son made your 387 00:21:32,590 --> 00:21:29,150 son made these videos in the backyard of 388 00:21:34,450 --> 00:21:32,600 a burning tree now works we'll discuss 389 00:21:38,260 --> 00:21:34,460 this later I don't want to do this now 390 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:38,270 but now with this happening on your 391 00:21:45,190 --> 00:21:41,210 property in your backyard and your son 392 00:21:48,070 --> 00:21:45,200 is videotaping now your son is a part of 393 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:48,080 this whether you want him to be or not 394 00:21:53,970 --> 00:21:51,170 how did he meant 395 00:21:57,220 --> 00:21:53,980 we deal with this because that was a an 396 00:21:59,200 --> 00:21:57,230 extraordinary experience to have happen 397 00:22:00,940 --> 00:21:59,210 right there in front of everybody I 398 00:22:01,270 --> 00:22:00,950 think your wife was even there wasn't 399 00:22:04,060 --> 00:22:01,280 she 400 00:22:07,260 --> 00:22:04,070 oh yeah everybody was there and that's 401 00:22:12,070 --> 00:22:07,270 just one experience out of oh it's 402 00:22:13,860 --> 00:22:12,080 ongoing it never quit and so that was 403 00:22:18,490 --> 00:22:13,870 more like Marvel to him 404 00:22:20,290 --> 00:22:18,500 it was it blew everybody away even my 405 00:22:24,850 --> 00:22:20,300 mother and father lived next door and 406 00:22:27,250 --> 00:22:24,860 that was a turning point and they knew 407 00:22:30,550 --> 00:22:27,260 there was a reason and I'll get into it 408 00:22:34,420 --> 00:22:30,560 later why that thing happened it was 409 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:34,430 actually me asking these entities he 410 00:22:39,190 --> 00:22:36,890 celestial beings a question you know I 411 00:22:42,550 --> 00:22:39,200 need a sign I need a sign for the 412 00:22:46,390 --> 00:22:42,560 specific reason if it if you want me to 413 00:22:50,620 --> 00:22:46,400 do this I need to see it and that's what 414 00:22:53,020 --> 00:22:50,630 happened and I mean I just and it just 415 00:22:55,570 --> 00:22:53,030 happened that way it was in response to 416 00:22:57,790 --> 00:22:55,580 a question and your son your son is okay 417 00:22:59,560 --> 00:22:57,800 I mean I can imagine he must be the most 418 00:23:05,110 --> 00:22:59,570 popular kid in school and that kind of 419 00:23:09,850 --> 00:23:05,120 stuff goes down the family's dealing 420 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:09,860 with all of this okay yeah it wasn't 421 00:23:14,590 --> 00:23:11,810 always easy because you know when dad 422 00:23:16,810 --> 00:23:14,600 comes home from the river and a-seven 423 00:23:19,870 --> 00:23:16,820 telling this story they didn't get home 424 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:19,880 they were off my wife with our three of 425 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:21,410 our children with her mother for a few 426 00:23:27,420 --> 00:23:23,330 days and it was just Christopher and I 427 00:23:31,090 --> 00:23:27,430 Chris jr. went once they got home and 428 00:23:33,220 --> 00:23:31,100 she the whole family heard the story my 429 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:33,230 children were very little small my 430 00:23:37,990 --> 00:23:36,170 daughter was like 10 years old and then 431 00:23:41,220 --> 00:23:38,000 three boys are just little older than 432 00:23:45,150 --> 00:23:41,230 her Chris jr. was the oldest at 17 and 433 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:45,160 so they were terrified I mean absolutely 434 00:23:53,580 --> 00:23:49,250 scared of what was going on the unknown 435 00:23:57,070 --> 00:23:53,590 not knowing what it was and then it 436 00:24:00,280 --> 00:23:57,080 started right away at our house it never 437 00:24:04,090 --> 00:24:00,290 left I would I was so obsessed Jimmy 438 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:04,100 that I wanted them to believe me 439 00:24:10,029 --> 00:24:07,129 that I actually started praying that my 440 00:24:12,190 --> 00:24:10,039 family would experience this with me so 441 00:24:15,029 --> 00:24:12,200 they wouldn't not believe me because 442 00:24:17,590 --> 00:24:15,039 everybody church members family members 443 00:24:19,570 --> 00:24:17,600 cousins aunts and our family's been here 444 00:24:21,940 --> 00:24:19,580 since the 17 understood there's probably 445 00:24:26,139 --> 00:24:21,950 four or five hundred family members in 446 00:24:28,509 --> 00:24:26,149 this town and I was yet I was the talk 447 00:24:31,060 --> 00:24:28,519 of the town being made fun of and there 448 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:31,070 my children were experiencing this stuff 449 00:24:34,419 --> 00:24:32,570 I'd get them up in the middle of the 450 00:24:37,089 --> 00:24:34,429 night five o'clock in the morning my 451 00:24:41,169 --> 00:24:37,099 wife would be so mad because there's 452 00:24:43,839 --> 00:24:41,179 this 40-foot blue orb hovering in the 453 00:24:46,180 --> 00:24:43,849 backyard or this you know bigger than 454 00:24:47,950 --> 00:24:46,190 that white orb hovering over a tree in 455 00:24:51,820 --> 00:24:47,960 our backyard or right over top of our 456 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:51,830 house and there was many knights back in 457 00:24:57,219 --> 00:24:55,369 oh seven oh eight that they just had no 458 00:24:59,950 --> 00:24:57,229 clue and were terrified about what it 459 00:25:02,799 --> 00:24:59,960 was we were dealing with and of course I 460 00:25:05,609 --> 00:25:02,809 was battling that to the question I was 461 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:05,619 I've always maintained it was spiritual 462 00:25:10,749 --> 00:25:08,210 there's some sort of angelic entity 463 00:25:13,330 --> 00:25:10,759 because I was sick and that went away 464 00:25:16,450 --> 00:25:13,340 right after I mean immediately they took 465 00:25:18,339 --> 00:25:16,460 that from me but yet the community was 466 00:25:18,999 --> 00:25:18,349 saying oh you're playing with Satan 467 00:25:23,109 --> 00:25:19,009 himself 468 00:25:27,009 --> 00:25:23,119 of course yeah right and and this is a 469 00:25:29,649 --> 00:25:27,019 very big area for Christianity and then 470 00:25:32,830 --> 00:25:29,659 I was a deacon in the Pentecostal Church 471 00:25:35,529 --> 00:25:32,840 at one time so imagine me coming back 472 00:25:37,479 --> 00:25:35,539 telling that these big balls of fire 473 00:25:40,450 --> 00:25:37,489 came out of the sky took me away for 474 00:25:42,729 --> 00:25:40,460 four hours and took microns away and 475 00:25:46,479 --> 00:25:42,739 that didn't matter didn't matter at all 476 00:25:48,820 --> 00:25:46,489 so yeah Rosa Rita asked me the two 477 00:25:50,349 --> 00:25:48,830 nights ago Chris you're gonna laugh and 478 00:25:52,810 --> 00:25:50,359 it's okay you can laugh out loud 479 00:25:55,509 --> 00:25:52,820 Rita goes so Timmy what's what's North 480 00:26:00,729 --> 00:25:55,519 Carolina like and you know how I 481 00:26:07,539 --> 00:26:00,739 answered her it said everybody goes to 482 00:26:10,899 --> 00:26:07,549 church everybody she goes okay all right 483 00:26:12,759 --> 00:26:10,909 but that's the best way that I can kind 484 00:26:15,099 --> 00:26:12,769 of you know for somebody that's never 485 00:26:17,180 --> 00:26:15,109 been there and and doesn't know what the 486 00:26:19,010 --> 00:26:17,190 community is like when they say the 487 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:19,020 Bible Belt there's a reason they 488 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:20,490 describe it that way 489 00:26:27,620 --> 00:26:23,730 and that's it and for you to say these 490 00:26:32,180 --> 00:26:27,630 words and I know Rita's in her studio da 491 00:26:34,310 --> 00:26:32,190 Mahal listening you just reaffirm that 492 00:26:38,300 --> 00:26:34,320 and for the audience you need to 493 00:26:40,130 --> 00:26:38,310 understand North South Carolina and that 494 00:26:42,710 --> 00:26:40,140 entire section of the country up and 495 00:26:44,900 --> 00:26:42,720 down the coast and then going west you 496 00:26:47,450 --> 00:26:44,910 know into Tennessee and Arkansas and 497 00:26:50,630 --> 00:26:47,460 Missouri and Mississippi and and George 498 00:26:53,510 --> 00:26:50,640 Alabama this is this is the way of life 499 00:26:56,090 --> 00:26:53,520 this isn't something that you read about 500 00:26:59,480 --> 00:26:56,100 in books this is what happens in 501 00:27:02,690 --> 00:26:59,490 Fayetteville isn't it absolutely I can 502 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:02,700 pull out of my driveway and go a mile 503 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:05,490 either direction just say I'm in the 504 00:27:10,700 --> 00:27:07,650 center on a mile each way there's 505 00:27:15,380 --> 00:27:10,710 probably a dozen churches that's right 506 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:15,390 that's right that's right that's exactly 507 00:27:23,780 --> 00:27:15,570 it 508 00:27:29,180 --> 00:27:23,790 let's set set up what's going on here 509 00:27:31,130 --> 00:27:29,190 let's go back to January 8th 2007 when 510 00:27:37,700 --> 00:27:31,140 you woke up that day was it just like 511 00:27:41,990 --> 00:27:37,710 any other day no that's it's important 512 00:27:45,470 --> 00:27:42,000 to know where I was at that point but 513 00:27:49,580 --> 00:27:45,480 that in bio seven my and let's back up a 514 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:49,590 bit and o4 I was just at the peak of 515 00:27:57,710 --> 00:27:52,170 being extremely sick with this disease 516 00:28:01,100 --> 00:27:57,720 and my wife and I were we were steadily 517 00:28:03,110 --> 00:28:01,110 building you know houses by the tune we 518 00:28:07,610 --> 00:28:03,120 had 40 under construction at that time 519 00:28:09,530 --> 00:28:07,620 and Desert Storm was going on and when 520 00:28:12,050 --> 00:28:09,540 all that happens in a military town it 521 00:28:13,970 --> 00:28:12,060 shuts the cells just shut down it was 522 00:28:17,420 --> 00:28:13,980 hard to give a house away and I had 28 523 00:28:20,120 --> 00:28:17,430 houses for sale you know one when they 524 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:20,130 first went to or in that area that was 525 00:28:26,050 --> 00:28:23,250 they were shipped overseas but so long 526 00:28:29,180 --> 00:28:26,060 story short my business was failing and 527 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:29,190 to top it off I was so sick I wasn't 528 00:28:32,630 --> 00:28:30,450 able to 529 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:32,640 to tend to my company like I should have 530 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:36,330 been and you know 15 18 million dollars 531 00:28:40,580 --> 00:28:38,130 a year and it was just run by my wife 532 00:28:45,110 --> 00:28:40,590 and I it was basically dumped in her lap 533 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:45,120 and and she was extremely worried about 534 00:28:51,260 --> 00:28:47,850 my health and I'm in bed mostly for two 535 00:28:57,590 --> 00:28:51,270 years there so everything was going away 536 00:28:59,870 --> 00:28:57,600 my life's savings my career and I was I 537 00:29:02,270 --> 00:28:59,880 was suffering I was near a nervous 538 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:02,280 breakdown I couldn't couldn t eat 539 00:29:07,900 --> 00:29:05,010 without being in the restroom 20 times a 540 00:29:10,550 --> 00:29:07,910 day I mean that's how bad it got so I 541 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:10,560 actually ended up having a near-death 542 00:29:16,310 --> 00:29:13,770 experience and just before we sold the 543 00:29:21,590 --> 00:29:16,320 business she actually sold it while I 544 00:29:23,450 --> 00:29:21,600 was in my bed the lawyers came to have 545 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:23,460 the papers signed and we got taken 546 00:29:27,580 --> 00:29:25,050 advantage of there so everything was 547 00:29:32,900 --> 00:29:27,590 going downhill that's where I'm at right 548 00:29:36,230 --> 00:29:32,910 that gets that's in 2004 and five so my 549 00:29:39,170 --> 00:29:36,240 father had had a heart attack and we had 550 00:29:44,210 --> 00:29:39,180 to sell her home a big beautiful home 551 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:44,220 and move out we moved into a mobile home 552 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:47,250 that we remodeled into a house for a 553 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:50,610 whole family and we relocated next to 554 00:29:55,940 --> 00:29:52,770 him and he was so worried about me 555 00:29:58,640 --> 00:29:55,950 because of not I was depressed I didn't 556 00:30:02,330 --> 00:29:58,650 want to work I couldn't I just felt so 557 00:30:07,790 --> 00:30:02,340 bad sick and so I was at the end of my 558 00:30:11,300 --> 00:30:07,800 breath you might say I was not I was 559 00:30:13,780 --> 00:30:11,310 sick and I was unhappy I love my 560 00:30:19,940 --> 00:30:13,790 children and wife more than anything and 561 00:30:22,430 --> 00:30:19,950 so that day it was around October or 562 00:30:25,730 --> 00:30:22,440 September of those six dad talked me 563 00:30:28,310 --> 00:30:25,740 into traveling to the coast in a couple 564 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:28,320 hours away and building a house for a 565 00:30:37,100 --> 00:30:33,330 friend and so he talked me into it and I 566 00:30:39,410 --> 00:30:37,110 hired a crew of guys of 10 guys and we 567 00:30:42,740 --> 00:30:39,420 went down and for four months they 568 00:30:44,180 --> 00:30:42,750 worked on this big beach house and and 569 00:30:47,779 --> 00:30:44,190 then here it is 570 00:30:52,220 --> 00:30:47,789 after Christmas first week of January 571 00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:52,230 they finished the house and I had gone 572 00:30:58,940 --> 00:30:57,210 down and did a an inspection and total 573 00:31:00,830 --> 00:30:58,950 when they got this done just come on 574 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:00,840 home and make sure they were got got 575 00:31:06,499 --> 00:31:02,970 their money and it was a Tuesday January 576 00:31:09,580 --> 00:31:06,509 8th of those seven they called me on the 577 00:31:13,759 --> 00:31:09,590 way home they finished a punch list and 578 00:31:15,499 --> 00:31:13,769 said we'd like to celebrate and and I 579 00:31:18,110 --> 00:31:15,509 had the only four-wheel-drive truck 580 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:18,120 between us all and it you needed that to 581 00:31:23,269 --> 00:31:20,610 get down to where we were going which is 582 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:23,279 a little cul-de-sac on a dead-end Road 583 00:31:29,690 --> 00:31:27,090 that ends to the river and so I agreed 584 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:29,700 they got to my house around lunch picked 585 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:33,330 their checks up and they talked 586 00:31:38,539 --> 00:31:35,250 Christian or knighted going because my 587 00:31:40,970 --> 00:31:38,549 wife was out of town and about two 588 00:31:43,070 --> 00:31:40,980 o'clock they came they called and said 589 00:31:44,990 --> 00:31:43,080 they had cashed her checks and had their 590 00:31:48,259 --> 00:31:45,000 poles and equipment ready so I picked 591 00:31:52,909 --> 00:31:48,269 them up there they're about 5 5 to 10 592 00:31:56,810 --> 00:31:52,919 minutes away and the river was only five 593 00:31:58,580 --> 00:31:56,820 to eight minutes from my home and so 594 00:32:01,730 --> 00:31:58,590 about 2:30 595 00:32:04,009 --> 00:32:01,740 we were we were parking on the bank of 596 00:32:11,570 --> 00:32:04,019 the Cape forever and it was in was a 597 00:32:13,129 --> 00:32:11,580 cool day sunny real blue sky and I was 598 00:32:17,539 --> 00:32:13,139 scheduled to be very cold that night 599 00:32:19,610 --> 00:32:17,549 like freezing 30 32 degrees and I wasn't 600 00:32:21,499 --> 00:32:19,620 in the fishing a whole lot I was I 601 00:32:25,220 --> 00:32:21,509 didn't let them know especially my 602 00:32:28,490 --> 00:32:25,230 children my mental state how bad I felt 603 00:32:32,419 --> 00:32:28,500 where I was thinking I'm just crying out 604 00:32:34,850 --> 00:32:32,429 to whoever in heaven or whoever's up 605 00:32:36,649 --> 00:32:34,860 there I need help you know I'm just 606 00:32:39,789 --> 00:32:36,659 there that's where I was and it's 607 00:32:43,369 --> 00:32:39,799 important to know that because I have 608 00:32:46,129 --> 00:32:43,379 literally hundreds and hundreds of 609 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:46,139 people that write me and for that many 610 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:48,330 years to tell me their experience and 611 00:32:53,419 --> 00:32:50,730 nearly all of them having their 612 00:32:56,180 --> 00:32:53,429 experiences start off when they're at 613 00:32:57,890 --> 00:32:56,190 the bottom of you know lost a mother or 614 00:33:02,030 --> 00:32:57,900 a child or 615 00:33:04,549 --> 00:33:02,040 husband and especially death a lot of 616 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:04,559 people come you know to tell the story 617 00:33:12,770 --> 00:33:06,690 because they've experienced trauma PTSD 618 00:33:14,510 --> 00:33:12,780 of some sort so 2:30 we're there they 619 00:33:16,549 --> 00:33:14,520 put these little they went out I 620 00:33:18,980 --> 00:33:16,559 gathered these fork sticks and stuck 621 00:33:22,700 --> 00:33:18,990 them in the ground and had their cooler 622 00:33:24,890 --> 00:33:22,710 and I left them sitting with her back to 623 00:33:28,130 --> 00:33:24,900 the river I mean there they were facing 624 00:33:30,650 --> 00:33:28,140 the river I walked away and told him I 625 00:33:33,049 --> 00:33:30,660 was going down in the forest which is in 626 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:33,059 the end of the cul-de-sac just imagine 627 00:33:40,730 --> 00:33:37,770 going down across the field and I have 628 00:33:43,220 --> 00:33:40,740 to say this so we can get a view mental 629 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:43,230 picture it would turn off a paved road 630 00:33:48,799 --> 00:33:46,170 and cross this field about 200 yards 631 00:33:51,100 --> 00:33:48,809 across the dirt road a field and a road 632 00:33:53,810 --> 00:33:51,110 in the middle of the field Surat Road 633 00:33:55,970 --> 00:33:53,820 and when you get to the tree line 634 00:33:58,490 --> 00:33:55,980 there's a gate and when you open that 635 00:34:02,690 --> 00:33:58,500 gate and drive down you go eighth of a 636 00:34:04,790 --> 00:34:02,700 mile due east downhill to the river you 637 00:34:08,030 --> 00:34:04,800 have to turn and parallel the river to 638 00:34:10,010 --> 00:34:08,040 the to the right or the south and then 639 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:10,020 another eighth mile it dead-ends into a 640 00:34:16,159 --> 00:34:13,530 cul-de-sac so we got set up in there and 641 00:34:19,430 --> 00:34:16,169 I left them and I walked further down 642 00:34:21,409 --> 00:34:19,440 into the forest ok let's stop let's stop 643 00:34:24,860 --> 00:34:21,419 right there I need to take a break it's 644 00:34:26,629 --> 00:34:24,870 a perfect perfect spot to do to do this 645 00:34:30,619 --> 00:34:26,639 so let's get our break in our guest 646 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:30,629 tonight Chris bludso and we are what 647 00:34:35,780 --> 00:34:32,610 we're gonna finish when we come back but 648 00:34:36,820 --> 00:34:35,790 pick up or we're leaving off we're at 649 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:36,830 the river 650 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:39,330 this is fade to black I am your host 651 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:41,010 Jimmy Church I guess night Chris Bledsoe 652 00:34:45,919 --> 00:34:43,770 on the GameChanger network and kg are a 653 00:35:06,920 --> 00:34:45,929 the planets stay with us we'll be right 654 00:35:10,289 --> 00:35:09,059 welcome back pay two black coming up 655 00:35:12,779 --> 00:35:10,299 super Church you can follow me on 656 00:35:14,430 --> 00:35:12,789 twitter @jj Church radio I want to 657 00:35:17,430 --> 00:35:14,440 remind everybody our next two events 658 00:35:19,349 --> 00:35:17,440 coming up contacting the desert May 29th 659 00:35:22,410 --> 00:35:19,359 through June 1st in Palm Springs 660 00:35:27,900 --> 00:35:22,420 California contact in the desert calm 661 00:35:30,450 --> 00:35:27,910 and June 26th and 27th 2020 will be over 662 00:35:33,240 --> 00:35:30,460 in Manchester United Kingdom for the 663 00:35:37,140 --> 00:35:33,250 awakening conference you go to awakening 664 00:35:39,359 --> 00:35:37,150 UFO calm our guest tonight Chris Bledsoe 665 00:35:44,579 --> 00:35:39,369 and right before the break 666 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:44,589 Chris was setting us up for the events 667 00:35:51,990 --> 00:35:49,450 of January 2007 and he's down on the 668 00:35:54,180 --> 00:35:52,000 bank of the Cape Fear River with three 669 00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:54,190 of his subcontractors his son Chris is 670 00:35:58,859 --> 00:35:57,130 there and Chris separated for the group 671 00:36:00,870 --> 00:35:58,869 from the group 672 00:36:03,450 --> 00:36:00,880 everybody's got their fishing poles and 673 00:36:06,089 --> 00:36:03,460 that's what's going on down on the river 674 00:36:11,609 --> 00:36:06,099 and and you walked away Chris what 675 00:36:15,240 --> 00:36:11,619 happened next well it's now about 3:30 676 00:36:17,579 --> 00:36:15,250 or 3:15 I just told you guys I wasn't 677 00:36:20,549 --> 00:36:17,589 into fishing I wanted to go down in the 678 00:36:23,940 --> 00:36:20,559 forest and sit on the riverbank and see 679 00:36:27,870 --> 00:36:23,950 wildlife basically it was just an excuse 680 00:36:30,660 --> 00:36:27,880 to get away and try to meditate and call 681 00:36:34,319 --> 00:36:30,670 on the universe to help me in this 682 00:36:37,740 --> 00:36:34,329 situation you know just just felt bad 683 00:36:42,720 --> 00:36:37,750 and was in a bad way but so now it's 684 00:36:46,249 --> 00:36:42,730 3:30 I walk away I walk about I don't 685 00:36:49,980 --> 00:36:46,259 know a quarter mile at most down south 686 00:36:51,990 --> 00:36:49,990 back in the back of the cul-de-sac which 687 00:36:56,329 --> 00:36:52,000 is important because that's what Chris 688 00:36:59,960 --> 00:36:56,339 jr. went to to search for me later and I 689 00:37:03,089 --> 00:36:59,970 sat down by a big old oak tree and a 690 00:37:06,150 --> 00:37:03,099 river gully where the creeks running to 691 00:37:09,390 --> 00:37:06,160 spill into the river and had this nice 692 00:37:14,220 --> 00:37:09,400 place and and never didn't see a thing 693 00:37:17,039 --> 00:37:14,230 but sat there until about 4:00 4:15 4:30 694 00:37:17,759 --> 00:37:17,049 I guess and it's probably 4:30 and it's 695 00:37:20,220 --> 00:37:17,769 getting dark 696 00:37:23,940 --> 00:37:20,230 it's January so the Sun sets 697 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:23,950 about 30 so it's dark in the forest it's 698 00:37:27,900 --> 00:37:25,810 starting to get dark and I thought maybe 699 00:37:30,690 --> 00:37:27,910 I'd better come out and check on the 700 00:37:32,370 --> 00:37:30,700 guys I didn't have a flashlight so I 701 00:37:34,710 --> 00:37:32,380 walked back up to him they were having a 702 00:37:37,849 --> 00:37:34,720 ball everything was rosy they were still 703 00:37:41,099 --> 00:37:37,859 sitting there fishing side by side and 704 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:41,109 my question was do you want to go home 705 00:37:45,090 --> 00:37:43,450 or do you want to light a fire because 706 00:37:47,849 --> 00:37:45,100 it's going to get cold tonight 707 00:37:49,890 --> 00:37:47,859 there were all like we we're having fun 708 00:37:53,580 --> 00:37:49,900 let's stay a while and been here that 709 00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:53,590 long so I said okay let's everybody stop 710 00:37:58,980 --> 00:37:54,970 what we're doing and let's go gather 711 00:38:01,970 --> 00:37:58,990 wood and so all five of us jumped up and 712 00:38:05,820 --> 00:38:01,980 and went around that one acre of 713 00:38:09,180 --> 00:38:05,830 cul-de-sac of picnic area and picked up 714 00:38:12,570 --> 00:38:09,190 a whole lot of broken limbs and deadfall 715 00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:12,580 and got him a fire going and it's now 716 00:38:19,050 --> 00:38:17,170 but I would say ten after five and they 717 00:38:21,690 --> 00:38:19,060 were back fishing and I felt like well 718 00:38:24,720 --> 00:38:21,700 I've got them situated because usually 719 00:38:27,990 --> 00:38:24,730 that's my mentality I felt like I'm 720 00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:28,000 working still organizing people so I 721 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:31,690 felt that they were they were doing fine 722 00:38:38,490 --> 00:38:34,290 and I told them I'm gonna walk back up 723 00:38:40,859 --> 00:38:38,500 to the field where we came in which is a 724 00:38:43,170 --> 00:38:40,869 quarter-mile away you have to go 725 00:38:46,830 --> 00:38:43,180 parallel with the river 1/8 of a mile 726 00:38:50,310 --> 00:38:46,840 north and then when you get to that end 727 00:38:55,230 --> 00:38:50,320 it turns dead left west up the hill you 728 00:38:57,090 --> 00:38:55,240 got to go way up the hill so I convinced 729 00:39:01,590 --> 00:38:57,100 them that I was going to go up and and 730 00:39:03,900 --> 00:39:01,600 set and see if any deer or turkey come 731 00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:03,910 out and to eat the feed in the field 732 00:39:12,780 --> 00:39:07,930 like you know before sunset and so I 733 00:39:15,390 --> 00:39:12,790 left them and I started walking and I 734 00:39:18,930 --> 00:39:15,400 left the cul-de-sac the open area and 735 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:18,940 started down this narrow path where we 736 00:39:25,020 --> 00:39:20,890 drove in and that's so it was real 737 00:39:27,240 --> 00:39:25,030 narrow at that time and actually the 738 00:39:29,849 --> 00:39:27,250 mirrors on my truck would bump the 739 00:39:32,220 --> 00:39:29,859 bushes on either side of the road and 740 00:39:32,630 --> 00:39:32,230 places it was that narrow going in and 741 00:39:37,339 --> 00:39:32,640 it was 742 00:39:39,079 --> 00:39:37,349 ruddy foot deep ruts with mud so I'm 743 00:39:43,460 --> 00:39:39,089 walking up through there trying to keep 744 00:39:45,620 --> 00:39:43,470 from stepping and ankle-deep mud and I 745 00:39:48,170 --> 00:39:45,630 starting to get kind of dark down this 746 00:39:50,779 --> 00:39:48,180 area it's like trees just grow over this 747 00:39:53,390 --> 00:39:50,789 like a tunnel down through there so it 748 00:39:57,069 --> 00:39:53,400 was a bit dark didn't have a flashlight 749 00:39:59,660 --> 00:39:57,079 and of course you know I grew up hunting 750 00:40:04,009 --> 00:39:59,670 killed a deer my first deer at five 751 00:40:06,259 --> 00:40:04,019 years old and I grew up doing that I was 752 00:40:12,190 --> 00:40:06,269 raised with my father that hunted all 753 00:40:14,720 --> 00:40:12,200 his life and that ended for me for ever 754 00:40:16,519 --> 00:40:14,730 after this experience I never hunted 755 00:40:19,130 --> 00:40:16,529 again I just had to throw that in there 756 00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:19,140 so I wasn't scared right but something 757 00:40:26,539 --> 00:40:23,130 on that first eighth of a mile leg I 758 00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:26,549 heard right away start walking to my 759 00:40:32,569 --> 00:40:30,690 left in the thick bushes and I couldn't 760 00:40:34,490 --> 00:40:32,579 see it and I thought well maybe it's a 761 00:40:36,500 --> 00:40:34,500 deer maybe it's a turkey heard me 762 00:40:39,049 --> 00:40:36,510 because I'm used to that you know being 763 00:40:41,059 --> 00:40:39,059 real quiet well it started to freak me 764 00:40:43,039 --> 00:40:41,069 out because I stopped and when I stopped 765 00:40:47,089 --> 00:40:43,049 it stopped and I thought that's not 766 00:40:49,220 --> 00:40:47,099 normal so I walked another 40 yards and 767 00:40:51,230 --> 00:40:49,230 it would start walking again and then I 768 00:40:54,319 --> 00:40:51,240 stopped and it stopped so after a couple 769 00:40:56,569 --> 00:40:54,329 times of that I got down and really 770 00:40:58,910 --> 00:40:56,579 looking under the bushes trying to see 771 00:41:02,089 --> 00:40:58,920 back in there to what it might be right 772 00:41:06,230 --> 00:41:02,099 and that that happened three times on my 773 00:41:09,499 --> 00:41:06,240 way out to that first eighth of a mile 774 00:41:11,509 --> 00:41:09,509 and when I got to the end and started up 775 00:41:15,380 --> 00:41:11,519 the hill the light was coming down that 776 00:41:19,519 --> 00:41:15,390 road enough that I felt more comfortable 777 00:41:22,579 --> 00:41:19,529 I wasn't fearful like I was at that time 778 00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:22,589 and that was a pretty nervous time for 779 00:41:27,740 --> 00:41:25,410 me and I don't ever get much that kind 780 00:41:29,839 --> 00:41:27,750 of nervous in the woods well your your 781 00:41:32,539 --> 00:41:29,849 area you're in dark woods and you got 782 00:41:34,670 --> 00:41:32,549 footsteps going on and that's gonna 783 00:41:38,150 --> 00:41:34,680 freak anybody out Chris come on man it's 784 00:41:41,930 --> 00:41:38,160 okay it's okay okay all right so so what 785 00:41:44,450 --> 00:41:41,940 happens so I'm walking along after I 786 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:44,460 lose that thought of what might be 787 00:41:47,570 --> 00:41:46,410 tracking me there 788 00:41:50,150 --> 00:41:47,580 couldn't figure it out because it 789 00:41:53,390 --> 00:41:50,160 sounded like two feet I'd ruled out 790 00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:53,400 Turkey dear I get to the end and I feel 791 00:41:58,660 --> 00:41:56,010 this sense of relief because I'm looking 792 00:42:01,160 --> 00:41:58,670 up the hill and light is kind of 793 00:42:04,970 --> 00:42:01,170 illuminating that last eighth of a mile 794 00:42:10,060 --> 00:42:04,980 up he'll see the Gateway up ahead and 795 00:42:13,430 --> 00:42:10,070 the sound quit so my mind went back to 796 00:42:16,700 --> 00:42:13,440 asking whoever's up there I need help I 797 00:42:21,350 --> 00:42:16,710 mean I don't want to I don't know what 798 00:42:25,430 --> 00:42:21,360 to do I'm 45 46 years old and I'm having 799 00:42:28,430 --> 00:42:25,440 to start over what do I do help me and 800 00:42:32,930 --> 00:42:28,440 that's I was kind of that's where I was 801 00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:32,940 so as I made my way up I'm watching 802 00:42:38,090 --> 00:42:36,210 every footstep because it's muddy take a 803 00:42:40,220 --> 00:42:38,100 couple steps and I'd look ahead and I 804 00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:40,230 look back down at my feet to keep them 805 00:42:45,710 --> 00:42:43,050 for stepping in the ruts and and as I 806 00:42:48,230 --> 00:42:45,720 got closer to the gate which is a 807 00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:48,240 hundred feet in elevation roughly from 808 00:42:58,250 --> 00:42:56,010 the bottom up the it was about 5:15 5:20 809 00:43:00,380 --> 00:42:58,260 now and so the Sun has probably already 810 00:43:02,090 --> 00:43:00,390 said I'm thinking that it's probably 811 00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:02,100 already set behind the trees 812 00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:06,450 perfect time to get up here and when I 813 00:43:12,350 --> 00:43:09,570 got about 20 feet from that gate I began 814 00:43:15,350 --> 00:43:12,360 to see the tree line on the far side of 815 00:43:19,730 --> 00:43:15,360 the field and first time I glanced up 816 00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:19,740 the Sun looked mighty big and brilliant 817 00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:21,690 orange like when it's setting late and 818 00:43:25,910 --> 00:43:24,210 evening on the ocean or anywhere and you 819 00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:25,920 can look at it and it doesn't hurt your 820 00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:27,930 eyes on a clear day it's just brilliant 821 00:43:33,980 --> 00:43:31,050 orange and soft to the eyes so that's 822 00:43:37,370 --> 00:43:33,990 what it looked like to start with but 823 00:43:39,410 --> 00:43:37,380 look mighty big and I didn't think about 824 00:43:42,020 --> 00:43:39,420 it the first time I just looked back 825 00:43:44,750 --> 00:43:42,030 down took a couple more steps and when I 826 00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:44,760 got a little bit higher up my my field 827 00:43:49,610 --> 00:43:47,490 of vision widened you know I couldn't 828 00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:49,620 see but just down this tunnel and when I 829 00:43:53,870 --> 00:43:51,690 got closer to the top I could see wider 830 00:43:57,140 --> 00:43:53,880 well now there's another son sitting 831 00:44:00,140 --> 00:43:57,150 there two up and it didn't take me but a 832 00:44:03,019 --> 00:44:00,150 second to rule out every 833 00:44:05,569 --> 00:44:03,029 known thing to humanity because I am a 834 00:44:06,740 --> 00:44:05,579 commercial rated pilot and that was the 835 00:44:10,970 --> 00:44:06,750 love of my life 836 00:44:13,549 --> 00:44:10,980 and I chose building because of children 837 00:44:15,950 --> 00:44:13,559 instead of flying career because we have 838 00:44:17,779 --> 00:44:15,960 four children and I didn't I wanted to 839 00:44:21,019 --> 00:44:17,789 raise my kids with my wife we're very 840 00:44:24,069 --> 00:44:21,029 tight with our family but I knew it 841 00:44:27,470 --> 00:44:24,079 wasn't from this world so I immediately 842 00:44:30,170 --> 00:44:27,480 squatted down and used the hill to hide 843 00:44:32,539 --> 00:44:30,180 myself I mean I could I could duck down 844 00:44:35,150 --> 00:44:32,549 and they couldn't see me and I thought 845 00:44:37,940 --> 00:44:35,160 they could so I sit there a few minutes 846 00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:37,950 and I was like oh my god what is this I 847 00:44:42,950 --> 00:44:40,410 got the chills my hair was standing up 848 00:44:46,309 --> 00:44:42,960 and I started getting fearful and I 849 00:44:48,019 --> 00:44:46,319 thought maybe I should run so I raised 850 00:44:50,750 --> 00:44:48,029 up and I looked and they're still 851 00:44:53,210 --> 00:44:50,760 they're these big giant orange balls of 852 00:44:56,150 --> 00:44:53,220 liquid fire it looked like it was 853 00:44:58,130 --> 00:44:56,160 rotating kind of clockwise around it and 854 00:45:00,829 --> 00:44:58,140 there were little flames shooting off 855 00:45:03,140 --> 00:45:00,839 little tips of fire appeared to be 856 00:45:06,589 --> 00:45:03,150 shooting off these two things they were 857 00:45:09,049 --> 00:45:06,599 just the other side of the field out at 858 00:45:11,599 --> 00:45:09,059 the highway and that feels about 200 859 00:45:15,319 --> 00:45:11,609 yards across how big were they how big 860 00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:15,329 were they I reported them 4050 feet 861 00:45:25,609 --> 00:45:19,770 45 feet gotcha round you know like a 862 00:45:27,829 --> 00:45:25,619 2-story house round big right and so I'm 863 00:45:31,250 --> 00:45:27,839 terrified now I've ruled out everything 864 00:45:33,470 --> 00:45:31,260 and I'm just making my plan of escape 865 00:45:35,750 --> 00:45:33,480 I'm going back down this road I've got 866 00:45:37,690 --> 00:45:35,760 to watch every step I want to run but 867 00:45:40,970 --> 00:45:37,700 I'm scared to run I'll slip in the mud 868 00:45:42,740 --> 00:45:40,980 and I think in all this and so when I 869 00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:42,750 finally made that decision to go I 870 00:45:49,130 --> 00:45:45,930 turned my body down look you know facing 871 00:45:51,789 --> 00:45:49,140 downhill I've raised up to see if they 872 00:45:54,170 --> 00:45:51,799 were still there and the minute I did 873 00:45:56,930 --> 00:45:54,180 another one of those things appeared 874 00:46:00,140 --> 00:45:56,940 above me kind of at a distance but 875 00:46:04,370 --> 00:46:00,150 clearly above me and it shot down within 876 00:46:07,609 --> 00:46:04,380 one second to to the left of these other 877 00:46:09,710 --> 00:46:07,619 two and I knew right then it knew what I 878 00:46:14,950 --> 00:46:09,720 was thinking it knew I was going to run 879 00:46:17,350 --> 00:46:14,960 and boy did it ever realization of 880 00:46:23,990 --> 00:46:17,360 something's about to happen just 881 00:46:27,020 --> 00:46:24,000 immediately I found myself walking back 882 00:46:29,450 --> 00:46:27,030 to the fire actually when I got close 883 00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:29,460 enough to him I started a little jog 884 00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:32,010 back to the fire and remember I went 885 00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:34,050 down there it was ten after five when I 886 00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:36,930 left the fire I got there probably 887 00:46:41,710 --> 00:46:38,850 twenty after five but don't take that 888 00:46:45,110 --> 00:46:41,720 long to get there maybe five twenty five 889 00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:45,120 and so when I walk back to the fire to 890 00:46:50,090 --> 00:46:47,130 check on these guys to tell them boy you 891 00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:50,100 won't believe what I just saw and that 892 00:46:53,900 --> 00:46:51,930 was my first thing I said you will not 893 00:46:58,370 --> 00:46:53,910 believe I was excited to tell them I saw 894 00:47:02,390 --> 00:46:58,380 the balls of fire and they were these 895 00:47:04,310 --> 00:47:02,400 three guys Chris jr. wasn't there but 896 00:47:06,590 --> 00:47:04,320 these three guys weren't fishing anymore 897 00:47:09,650 --> 00:47:06,600 the fire had burned down it was just a 898 00:47:11,690 --> 00:47:09,660 small fire and they looked at me their 899 00:47:13,580 --> 00:47:11,700 eyes were great big and they said where 900 00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:13,590 in the world have you been 901 00:47:18,340 --> 00:47:16,170 I said excuse me I was just up at the 902 00:47:22,270 --> 00:47:18,350 road you won't believe what I just saw I 903 00:47:25,580 --> 00:47:22,280 was excited they were they were like 904 00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:25,590 there's no friggin way we have been 905 00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:27,690 looking for you all night I said you 906 00:47:34,070 --> 00:47:30,930 gotta be kidding me what I mean it can't 907 00:47:36,530 --> 00:47:34,080 be I didn't believe it and then at that 908 00:47:39,500 --> 00:47:36,540 time realization struck when I said 909 00:47:41,540 --> 00:47:39,510 where's Chris jr. they said well he went 910 00:47:44,570 --> 00:47:41,550 back in the woods where you went earlier 911 00:47:46,670 --> 00:47:44,580 that day looking for you as we won guys 912 00:47:50,300 --> 00:47:46,680 stayed at the fire and ii got in a truck 913 00:47:53,390 --> 00:47:50,310 and they drove everywhere and so it's 914 00:47:56,030 --> 00:47:53,400 now about ten o'clock whoa whoa whoa 915 00:47:58,640 --> 00:47:56,040 okay let's stop there for a second now I 916 00:48:03,710 --> 00:47:58,650 got some questions okay let's stop right 917 00:48:08,050 --> 00:48:03,720 there to set up what is going down here 918 00:48:12,590 --> 00:48:08,060 obviously now there's missing time but 919 00:48:15,380 --> 00:48:12,600 you in describing all of this it sounds 920 00:48:17,030 --> 00:48:15,390 to me like you could have yelled from 921 00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:17,040 the field and they would have heard you 922 00:48:20,300 --> 00:48:18,570 right absolutely 923 00:48:22,730 --> 00:48:20,310 right you guys were that close in 924 00:48:25,340 --> 00:48:22,740 proximity they've been out searching for 925 00:48:26,130 --> 00:48:25,350 you you think only a few minutes have 926 00:48:29,460 --> 00:48:26,140 passed 927 00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:29,470 you're coming to them excited to talk 928 00:48:34,769 --> 00:48:31,450 about the two or three balls of light 929 00:48:36,539 --> 00:48:34,779 that are over your shoulder and you're 930 00:48:39,390 --> 00:48:36,549 assuming that they're probably even 931 00:48:41,700 --> 00:48:39,400 still in the field you're coming down to 932 00:48:44,249 --> 00:48:41,710 tell them about all of this but the 933 00:48:46,410 --> 00:48:44,259 exact opposite is going down they're 934 00:48:49,349 --> 00:48:46,420 freaked out because you've been missing 935 00:48:51,900 --> 00:48:49,359 for five hours your son's out searching 936 00:48:54,779 --> 00:48:51,910 for you there they've been panicking 937 00:48:57,569 --> 00:48:54,789 because they can't find you and you just 938 00:48:59,579 --> 00:48:57,579 walk up on them like hey man what's up 939 00:49:02,190 --> 00:48:59,589 you got to come check this out that's 940 00:49:04,799 --> 00:49:02,200 what was going down right that's exactly 941 00:49:07,109 --> 00:49:04,809 what was going on and what had them all 942 00:49:08,849 --> 00:49:07,119 really they were so quiet when I walked 943 00:49:12,420 --> 00:49:08,859 up and their eyes were big as saucers 944 00:49:15,779 --> 00:49:12,430 and and I asked I didn't even really 945 00:49:17,970 --> 00:49:15,789 have just a minute's conversation as I'm 946 00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:17,980 walking up and I pause just long enough 947 00:49:22,229 --> 00:49:20,170 to find out where's Chris Jr and they 948 00:49:24,900 --> 00:49:22,239 said well we lost him two hours ago 949 00:49:27,150 --> 00:49:24,910 he went that way looking for you and I 950 00:49:30,779 --> 00:49:27,160 thought oh my god I just freaked out 951 00:49:33,029 --> 00:49:30,789 he's I can see my child you know young 952 00:49:36,870 --> 00:49:33,039 boy's 17 years old down in these woods 953 00:49:38,910 --> 00:49:36,880 and it's really rugged gullies and it's 954 00:49:41,519 --> 00:49:38,920 a big hit of woods and I'm thinking he's 955 00:49:45,539 --> 00:49:41,529 lost in there I mean now we got problems 956 00:49:47,609 --> 00:49:45,549 so I just took off away from them and I 957 00:49:51,630 --> 00:49:47,619 ran to the back of that cul-de-sac which 958 00:49:54,509 --> 00:49:51,640 is an acre and a round circle about an 959 00:49:58,019 --> 00:49:54,519 acre or maybe not quite round but is it 960 00:50:00,809 --> 00:49:58,029 paved by the way isn't any oh it's a 961 00:50:02,819 --> 00:50:00,819 grass yeah we should get in into the 962 00:50:05,519 --> 00:50:02,829 woods and there's a little grassy area 963 00:50:07,769 --> 00:50:05,529 that it was not mowed but it's where 964 00:50:12,269 --> 00:50:07,779 people would camp out and have picnics 965 00:50:15,509 --> 00:50:12,279 and and fish on the river it's also ten 966 00:50:17,910 --> 00:50:15,519 o'clock at night so it's dark dark yeah 967 00:50:21,660 --> 00:50:17,920 it's dark night I couldn't even believe 968 00:50:23,999 --> 00:50:21,670 that I had I had any mission time make 969 00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:24,009 me believe it right and before you went 970 00:50:31,710 --> 00:50:26,970 off looking for Chris jr. did you tell 971 00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:31,720 your three workers about the the balls 972 00:50:38,729 --> 00:50:35,170 of light yeah and when I did that's when 973 00:50:40,079 --> 00:50:38,739 their eyes were just like really they 974 00:50:44,099 --> 00:50:40,089 were freaked out because 975 00:50:47,670 --> 00:50:44,109 what had going on was the best I can 976 00:50:49,799 --> 00:50:47,680 explain it as while I was gone and they 977 00:50:52,289 --> 00:50:49,809 were out looking for me Chris jr. was 978 00:50:55,650 --> 00:50:52,299 panicked he was looking for his dad and 979 00:50:57,660 --> 00:50:55,660 he would well he left he was the first 980 00:51:01,049 --> 00:50:57,670 one to get alarm looking for me 981 00:51:06,299 --> 00:51:01,059 why I hadn't come back and and so it 982 00:51:09,599 --> 00:51:06,309 took them a while to to to get started 983 00:51:11,939 --> 00:51:09,609 on their process of looking for me 984 00:51:13,140 --> 00:51:11,949 because jr. he's been doing it he'd 985 00:51:15,150 --> 00:51:13,150 walked towards the back of the 986 00:51:17,339 --> 00:51:15,160 cul-de-sac he'd call his father and he 987 00:51:20,549 --> 00:51:17,349 come back where's my dad I mean he's 988 00:51:22,949 --> 00:51:20,559 been gone too long and finally he came 989 00:51:27,209 --> 00:51:22,959 walking up and telling them that he saw 990 00:51:29,279 --> 00:51:27,219 these two red orbs that remember the 991 00:51:30,929 --> 00:51:29,289 place I'd walked out of there and I was 992 00:51:33,209 --> 00:51:30,939 nervous I kept hearing something in the 993 00:51:36,509 --> 00:51:33,219 forest tracking me well he's looking 994 00:51:38,849 --> 00:51:36,519 down that road and he sees two red orbs 995 00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:38,859 she said it looked like size of a 996 00:51:44,969 --> 00:51:42,729 basketball came out of the forest on one 997 00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:44,979 side the side that I heard the sound and 998 00:51:50,099 --> 00:51:47,650 crossed the road and came towards where 999 00:51:51,630 --> 00:51:50,109 they were fishing so he started coming 1000 00:51:53,429 --> 00:51:51,640 up telling them there was these two 1001 00:51:55,109 --> 00:51:53,439 balls of light went in the woods and 1002 00:51:56,729 --> 00:51:55,119 they were like don't mess with us 1003 00:51:59,400 --> 00:51:56,739 Christian here and he's like I'm telling 1004 00:52:02,299 --> 00:51:59,410 you I'm telling you so they finally go 1005 00:52:05,459 --> 00:52:02,309 on the manhunt Junior goes back to where 1006 00:52:09,390 --> 00:52:05,469 he was at the back of the cul-de-sac and 1007 00:52:11,309 --> 00:52:09,400 during that time he looks way down that 1008 00:52:13,890 --> 00:52:11,319 path and he sees these two orbs come 1009 00:52:16,349 --> 00:52:13,900 back out of the river side of the road 1010 00:52:18,329 --> 00:52:16,359 comes back out in the middle of the road 1011 00:52:19,499 --> 00:52:18,339 and now there are hundred jars from him 1012 00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:19,509 or close to it and here they come 1013 00:52:22,410 --> 00:52:20,410 towards him 1014 00:52:26,130 --> 00:52:22,420 they're about waist high off the ground 1015 00:52:28,469 --> 00:52:26,140 two red balls of light so he season 1016 00:52:31,109 --> 00:52:28,479 coming closer and closer and as they got 1017 00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:31,119 closer he gets scared and he kind of 1018 00:52:37,199 --> 00:52:33,729 backs himself up under this thick shrubs 1019 00:52:39,029 --> 00:52:37,209 that surround this area I mean it's just 1020 00:52:42,539 --> 00:52:39,039 real thick brush right around the air 1021 00:52:44,910 --> 00:52:42,549 called a side he ends up backing himself 1022 00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:44,920 up under there to hide and they came 1023 00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:48,729 right up to him within 15 20 feet of him 1024 00:52:53,460 --> 00:52:50,650 and he could clearly see there were 1025 00:52:57,450 --> 00:52:53,470 these two entities and they he just 1026 00:53:01,200 --> 00:52:57,460 drives them as 3 to 4 feet tall 1027 00:53:05,250 --> 00:53:01,210 red glowing eyes and they were staring 1028 00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:05,260 at him I mean I died contact one all the 1029 00:53:08,790 --> 00:53:05,530 time 1030 00:53:10,380 --> 00:53:08,800 and the other was playing with stuff on 1031 00:53:13,410 --> 00:53:10,390 the ground he said they would pick up a 1032 00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:13,420 stick or a bottle or can and shake it 1033 00:53:20,870 --> 00:53:17,410 and for 2 hours are close to it the best 1034 00:53:24,210 --> 00:53:20,880 we can tell he was he was pinned down 1035 00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:24,220 having these entities never bothered him 1036 00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:26,290 they were just always there it couldn't 1037 00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:30,130 scream he couldn't move it I'm gonna get 1038 00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:32,890 my head of myself I found him after 1039 00:53:38,250 --> 00:53:35,650 about 5 minutes of me shouting for him 1040 00:53:41,220 --> 00:53:38,260 and I start back into the woods he I get 1041 00:53:43,339 --> 00:53:41,230 right up on him and he comes up from 1042 00:53:46,650 --> 00:53:43,349 under these thick bushes and he's 1043 00:53:51,750 --> 00:53:46,660 panicked he's like dad why did you leave 1044 00:53:54,150 --> 00:53:51,760 me and he's he's in shock and I'm saying 1045 00:53:55,770 --> 00:53:54,160 I didn't leave his son I was just up at 1046 00:53:58,109 --> 00:53:55,780 the field he said know you've been going 1047 00:54:00,210 --> 00:53:58,119 all night and I could not still believe 1048 00:54:02,190 --> 00:54:00,220 I've gone was gone all night I said no 1049 00:54:04,890 --> 00:54:02,200 son I have only been gone just a few 1050 00:54:06,420 --> 00:54:04,900 minutes he said no daddy why'd you leave 1051 00:54:09,750 --> 00:54:06,430 me you've been gone all night these 1052 00:54:12,240 --> 00:54:09,760 creatures they had me pinned down and 1053 00:54:14,460 --> 00:54:12,250 he's describing this stuff so I'm I'm 1054 00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:14,470 freaking out now I said well I saw these 1055 00:54:19,260 --> 00:54:17,410 lights up at the hill so I grabbed him 1056 00:54:23,370 --> 00:54:19,270 by the arm and I walk him over to the 1057 00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:23,380 fire and these guys are now not fishing 1058 00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:25,330 anymore they're just standing up looking 1059 00:54:29,370 --> 00:54:27,010 at the fire and they're hearing him and 1060 00:54:31,890 --> 00:54:29,380 she's describing all this what he had 1061 00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:31,900 experienced and of course I'd told them 1062 00:54:38,250 --> 00:54:34,330 on my way up to the fire you know what 1063 00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:38,260 I'd seen so now it's totally everybody's 1064 00:54:44,490 --> 00:54:41,050 kind of freaked out and all of a sudden 1065 00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:44,500 one of the guys points up to the sky and 1066 00:54:49,650 --> 00:54:47,530 says look and look at that and when we 1067 00:54:52,770 --> 00:54:49,660 all raised our heads straight up and 1068 00:54:56,310 --> 00:54:52,780 it's a clear night what it looked like 1069 00:55:00,150 --> 00:54:56,320 Jimmy was the constellation any one of 1070 00:55:03,630 --> 00:55:00,160 them with a bunch of stars eight or nine 1071 00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:03,640 stars just began to move about the sky 1072 00:55:08,250 --> 00:55:05,770 and they would go away from one another 1073 00:55:10,650 --> 00:55:08,260 and they would come back together and 1074 00:55:12,030 --> 00:55:10,660 this was going on for a minute or two 1075 00:55:15,329 --> 00:55:12,040 and all of a sudden three of these 1076 00:55:19,170 --> 00:55:15,339 things come straight down at a very fast 1077 00:55:22,079 --> 00:55:19,180 speed slows to like it just was on a 1078 00:55:23,820 --> 00:55:22,089 cushion and lands three of them on the 1079 00:55:26,790 --> 00:55:23,830 other side of the river directly in 1080 00:55:30,240 --> 00:55:26,800 front of us and the river is not that 1081 00:55:34,609 --> 00:55:30,250 wide it may be 60 yards wide at most I 1082 00:55:38,370 --> 00:55:34,619 would think and at that moment 1083 00:55:39,930 --> 00:55:38,380 pandemonium set in we got these three 1084 00:55:41,970 --> 00:55:39,940 things landed over there 1085 00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:41,980 everybody's freaked out by hearing these 1086 00:55:49,650 --> 00:55:45,970 stories of you know Christopher and me 1087 00:55:52,740 --> 00:55:49,660 being missing and so immediately we just 1088 00:55:54,810 --> 00:55:52,750 ran to the truck left everything sitting 1089 00:55:57,870 --> 00:55:54,820 on the ground left the fire burning I 1090 00:56:01,020 --> 00:55:57,880 mean we left Grant jumped in the truck 1091 00:56:05,339 --> 00:56:01,030 and as we start out of there they're 1092 00:56:08,190 --> 00:56:05,349 panicked oh my god you couldn't hear I'm 1093 00:56:10,829 --> 00:56:08,200 the words like I just said was he's 1094 00:56:13,220 --> 00:56:10,839 flying about my truck but the crazy 1095 00:56:16,079 --> 00:56:13,230 thing is I'm not scared anymore 1096 00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:16,089 I'm trying to figure out what's going on 1097 00:56:22,230 --> 00:56:18,130 but I wasn't a bit afraid but they were 1098 00:56:24,540 --> 00:56:22,240 terrified Chris jr. was terrified and so 1099 00:56:27,060 --> 00:56:24,550 as we left out of there 1100 00:56:32,070 --> 00:56:27,070 my trucks walling in the rust they're 1101 00:56:34,710 --> 00:56:32,080 saying go faster go faster yeah one of 1102 00:56:37,370 --> 00:56:34,720 the guys yells out that there's red orbs 1103 00:56:39,420 --> 00:56:37,380 which we understood from juniors 1104 00:56:42,450 --> 00:56:39,430 description of what they were were 1105 00:56:45,540 --> 00:56:42,460 behind us coming one of them was anyhow 1106 00:56:49,470 --> 00:56:45,550 following the truck out of there and I 1107 00:56:52,349 --> 00:56:49,480 floored it as hard as I could and it was 1108 00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:52,359 three grown men and my son were just you 1109 00:56:59,970 --> 00:56:55,930 couldn't imagine what all the the fear 1110 00:57:05,460 --> 00:56:59,980 and words going on was just it was total 1111 00:57:07,140 --> 00:57:05,470 panic and so when I got straight going 1112 00:57:08,910 --> 00:57:07,150 West out of the worst part of the mud 1113 00:57:11,430 --> 00:57:08,920 and I started up that hill I was able to 1114 00:57:14,460 --> 00:57:11,440 go faster and when we'd cleared the top 1115 00:57:16,530 --> 00:57:14,470 of that hill I felt like old showed 1116 00:57:18,270 --> 00:57:16,540 streets to San Francisco I used to watch 1117 00:57:19,490 --> 00:57:18,280 that and they would jump over these 1118 00:57:24,859 --> 00:57:19,500 hills 1119 00:57:26,930 --> 00:57:24,869 you got four wheels off didn't you we 1120 00:57:28,550 --> 00:57:26,940 were trying to get out of there and as 1121 00:57:30,859 --> 00:57:28,560 soon as we jump over the top of that 1122 00:57:33,079 --> 00:57:30,869 hill through the gate I laid on the 1123 00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:33,089 brakes as hard as I could and slid to a 1124 00:57:39,530 --> 00:57:37,410 stop because there's two original red or 1125 00:57:42,650 --> 00:57:39,540 orange balls of fire are still there in 1126 00:57:45,349 --> 00:57:42,660 the exact same place and that third one 1127 00:57:48,559 --> 00:57:45,359 orange ball of fire that was up above me 1128 00:57:51,650 --> 00:57:48,569 that appeared and came down undoubtedly 1129 00:57:57,970 --> 00:57:51,660 was the one that got me because it's now 1130 00:58:02,660 --> 00:57:57,980 no longer red is looking like a 40-foot 1131 00:58:05,809 --> 00:58:02,670 football or egg-shaped thing I've heard 1132 00:58:08,059 --> 00:58:05,819 tick-tack many many times and they've 1133 00:58:10,849 --> 00:58:08,069 got a lot of people's a tent I described 1134 00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:10,859 at 40 45 feet 50 feet it's like a 1135 00:58:17,180 --> 00:58:13,890 Greyhound bus now sitting in the road 1136 00:58:19,370 --> 00:58:17,190 crossways between us in the highway and 1137 00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:19,380 it's sideways and it's glowing white 1138 00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:22,290 bright white and it has this light going 1139 00:58:28,099 --> 00:58:25,530 around it that looked like spikes kind 1140 00:58:29,599 --> 00:58:28,109 of like crystal spikes but it was the 1141 00:58:32,900 --> 00:58:29,609 light doing this and it was growing 1142 00:58:36,859 --> 00:58:32,910 around it and I'm in every direction and 1143 00:58:41,270 --> 00:58:36,869 there's a video I tend UFO it's called 1144 00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:41,280 ITIN UFO which is out in Florida the 1145 00:58:46,670 --> 00:58:43,890 interstate some body pulls over and 1146 00:58:50,750 --> 00:58:46,680 takes this video and I verified that 1147 00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:50,760 video to some folks people that would 1148 00:59:00,440 --> 00:58:53,730 know the the scientists that that's 1149 00:59:03,740 --> 00:59:00,450 exactly what I saw and it was just we 1150 00:59:06,290 --> 00:59:03,750 had this standoff now everybody's really 1151 00:59:08,300 --> 00:59:06,300 panic really bad we thought it was bad 1152 00:59:11,390 --> 00:59:08,310 before now we've got three on the river 1153 00:59:13,910 --> 00:59:11,400 behind us we got two in the air in front 1154 00:59:17,510 --> 00:59:13,920 and one on the ground okay right there 1155 00:59:19,490 --> 00:59:17,520 let's take a break a perfect spot to do 1156 00:59:21,290 --> 00:59:19,500 that so let's go ahead and get our 1157 00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:21,300 commercial break in this is fade to 1158 00:59:24,910 --> 00:59:22,770 black our guest tonight Chris Bledsoe 1159 00:59:29,170 --> 00:59:24,920 we're talking about 1160 00:59:31,810 --> 00:59:29,180 January 8 2007 what happened at the Cape 1161 01:00:13,539 --> 00:59:31,820 Fear River more with Chris after this 1162 01:00:17,929 --> 01:00:15,949 welcome back fade to black I am your 1163 01:00:20,899 --> 01:00:17,939 host Jimmy Church our guest tonight 1164 01:00:24,259 --> 01:00:20,909 Chris Bledsoe and if you ever miss a 1165 01:00:26,059 --> 01:00:24,269 live show we'll live broadcast just get 1166 01:00:27,939 --> 01:00:26,069 our podcast that's all you got to do 1167 01:00:30,709 --> 01:00:27,949 it's updated every night after the show 1168 01:00:32,389 --> 01:00:30,719 go to chimmichurri accom click on the 1169 01:00:36,139 --> 01:00:32,399 podcast banner it's just 2 dollars per 1170 01:00:38,419 --> 01:00:36,149 month you've got over just about 1200 1171 01:00:40,009 --> 01:00:38,429 shows in the archives let's go to Jimmy 1172 01:00:43,009 --> 01:00:40,019 Church radio.com our guest tonight Chris 1173 01:00:48,289 --> 01:00:43,019 Bledsoe and Chris picking up where we 1174 01:00:52,009 --> 01:00:48,299 left off you you guys hightail it you're 1175 01:00:54,799 --> 01:00:52,019 in your truck you encounter one of these 1176 01:00:56,779 --> 01:00:54,809 objects which is now as you described 1177 01:00:58,039 --> 01:00:56,789 it's changed its shape a little bit or 1178 01:01:00,709 --> 01:00:58,049 it's a different object it doesn't 1179 01:01:03,799 --> 01:01:00,719 matter it's it's now like a bus crossing 1180 01:01:06,259 --> 01:01:03,809 the road there's three objects there the 1181 01:01:09,979 --> 01:01:06,269 standoff is about to start you guys were 1182 01:01:14,059 --> 01:01:09,989 already terrified terrified I might add 1183 01:01:15,529 --> 01:01:14,069 and but things are about to really go 1184 01:01:19,429 --> 01:01:15,539 off the rails so you guys don't know 1185 01:01:21,829 --> 01:01:19,439 this yet but at this point haven't you 1186 01:01:26,569 --> 01:01:21,839 learned that you can't outrun a UFO 1187 01:01:29,870 --> 01:01:26,579 Chris it could happen that part is not 1188 01:01:34,699 --> 01:01:29,880 never part of the play and that's what's 1189 01:01:36,699 --> 01:01:34,709 okay okay all funnies aside but I can't 1190 01:01:40,099 --> 01:01:36,709 imagine what you guys are going through 1191 01:01:43,549 --> 01:01:40,109 what time is it now how much time is 1192 01:01:46,909 --> 01:01:43,559 transpired from when you guys and went 1193 01:01:49,399 --> 01:01:46,919 to go find Chris you have left the field 1194 01:01:51,889 --> 01:01:49,409 you encounter them that was around 10 1195 01:01:54,859 --> 01:01:51,899 p.m. or so and the five hours of missing 1196 01:01:58,909 --> 01:01:54,869 time at this point do you have any idea 1197 01:02:03,739 --> 01:01:58,919 what time it is well it's not very long 1198 01:02:07,370 --> 01:02:03,749 because when I got to them about 10 the 1199 01:02:11,479 --> 01:02:07,380 best we could figure between us is about 1200 01:02:15,049 --> 01:02:11,489 10 o'clock I ran right away to look for 1201 01:02:18,259 --> 01:02:15,059 Chris jr. and within within 10 minutes 1202 01:02:23,239 --> 01:02:18,269 I've I'm back to where they are I've 1203 01:02:25,339 --> 01:02:23,249 already found him and we're back just 1204 01:02:26,060 --> 01:02:25,349 about to see these things come down and 1205 01:02:28,580 --> 01:02:26,070 land and 1206 01:02:32,150 --> 01:02:28,590 of us and I would say it's probably 10 1207 01:02:35,510 --> 01:02:32,160 15 10 20 gotcha that we're we're at the 1208 01:02:38,330 --> 01:02:35,520 top of the hill now and and I wrote is 1209 01:02:41,210 --> 01:02:38,340 blocked this to rut dirt road that comes 1210 01:02:44,570 --> 01:02:41,220 across that bill well now this third 1211 01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:44,580 object is sitting across the road about 1212 01:02:53,420 --> 01:02:47,210 halfway between us and the highway and 1213 01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:53,430 so now everybody's like where's the 1214 01:02:56,660 --> 01:02:54,210 airport 1215 01:02:59,350 --> 01:02:56,670 oh my lord wid this is it we're going to 1216 01:03:01,970 --> 01:02:59,360 die tonight I want to see my children I 1217 01:03:04,550 --> 01:03:01,980 want to see them the last time before 1218 01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:04,560 it's over I this was all happening in 1219 01:03:12,260 --> 01:03:09,330 real time and I mean it was it was it 1220 01:03:15,830 --> 01:03:12,270 was just pure panic we couldn't go and 1221 01:03:17,780 --> 01:03:15,840 so there's a smoke home to our right and 1222 01:03:19,940 --> 01:03:17,790 slightly in front of us but to our right 1223 01:03:24,110 --> 01:03:19,950 is adjoining property and it's actually 1224 01:03:25,940 --> 01:03:24,120 all the way back near the gate and so 1225 01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:25,950 one of the guys said hey I know who 1226 01:03:31,430 --> 01:03:29,490 lives there let's go up none of us had a 1227 01:03:34,250 --> 01:03:31,440 cell phone huh I didn't have a cell 1228 01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:34,260 phone period is this the is this a 1229 01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:36,690 mobile home I want you to finish this 1230 01:03:41,990 --> 01:03:39,930 but is this the mobile home where the 1231 01:03:44,750 --> 01:03:42,000 door was open and you guys went in and 1232 01:03:47,420 --> 01:03:44,760 nobody was there well we didn't actually 1233 01:03:50,030 --> 01:03:47,430 go in but I drove my truck now I've got 1234 01:03:54,530 --> 01:03:50,040 this thing in front of me so I had to go 1235 01:03:57,650 --> 01:03:54,540 up about 30 or 40 yards towards this 1236 01:03:59,960 --> 01:03:57,660 object and then make a right across the 1237 01:04:00,800 --> 01:03:59,970 road across the ditch into their 1238 01:04:03,290 --> 01:04:00,810 driveway 1239 01:04:07,070 --> 01:04:03,300 I pulled right up to their front door 1240 01:04:10,250 --> 01:04:07,080 and I was two cars home the storm door 1241 01:04:12,770 --> 01:04:10,260 was closed but the main door was open so 1242 01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:12,780 we could see the TV through the door and 1243 01:04:18,290 --> 01:04:15,570 the lights inside and I'm my bumper is 1244 01:04:21,590 --> 01:04:18,300 literally four foot from their deck 1245 01:04:23,570 --> 01:04:21,600 facing right dead in their door and you 1246 01:04:28,100 --> 01:04:23,580 didn't have you didn't have a cell phone 1247 01:04:30,770 --> 01:04:28,110 did you know right what my I couldn't 1248 01:04:35,210 --> 01:04:30,780 afford it and I didn't want the stress I 1249 01:04:37,100 --> 01:04:35,220 had so many people from warranties from 1250 01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:37,110 houses that were still calling me that I 1251 01:04:41,359 --> 01:04:38,690 no longer had 1252 01:04:42,829 --> 01:04:41,369 on the business somebody else did but 1253 01:04:44,569 --> 01:04:42,839 they were still calling me so I had to 1254 01:04:47,299 --> 01:04:44,579 get away from all stress so here we are 1255 01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:47,309 with no phone one of the guys says let's 1256 01:04:52,549 --> 01:04:50,010 pull up there I know this person maybe 1257 01:04:52,910 --> 01:04:52,559 we can use this phoning and call for 1258 01:04:55,039 --> 01:04:52,920 help 1259 01:04:58,849 --> 01:04:55,049 and hopefully they'll see this with us 1260 01:05:00,859 --> 01:04:58,859 and so we drive up I stop Don he a 1261 01:05:02,870 --> 01:05:00,869 friend of one of the guys Donny he's a 1262 01:05:05,779 --> 01:05:02,880 crew leader he jumps out and he runs up 1263 01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:05,789 goes up this little stick this little 1264 01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:09,210 deck is only like six by six he runs up 1265 01:05:13,789 --> 01:05:11,010 and he knocks on the door he looks into 1266 01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:13,799 one day and he shouts out to his friend 1267 01:05:19,819 --> 01:05:17,250 and nobody came to the door it was crazy 1268 01:05:22,940 --> 01:05:19,829 I mean the TB was born the cars were in 1269 01:05:24,789 --> 01:05:22,950 the yard and nobody came so after a 1270 01:05:27,289 --> 01:05:24,799 couple of minutes I'm looking out my 1271 01:05:29,150 --> 01:05:27,299 driver's side window to my left and this 1272 01:05:31,519 --> 01:05:29,160 thing still hovering in the middle of 1273 01:05:34,039 --> 01:05:31,529 the highway of the road you know a 1274 01:05:38,329 --> 01:05:34,049 hundred yards away he gets back in the 1275 01:05:40,970 --> 01:05:38,339 truck after nobody responds and I back 1276 01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:40,980 back out to the road and I turned back 1277 01:05:48,620 --> 01:05:44,010 and I'm facing this thing again so now 1278 01:05:51,799 --> 01:05:48,630 we're a little closer to it and after I 1279 01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:51,809 don't know how long this two or three 1280 01:05:57,740 --> 01:05:55,770 minutes maybe we hear three gunshots and 1281 01:05:59,960 --> 01:05:57,750 all we could think of is somebody 1282 01:06:02,210 --> 01:05:59,970 shooting at this thing because there's a 1283 01:06:04,940 --> 01:06:02,220 couple houses up near the highway not 1284 01:06:06,859 --> 01:06:04,950 right there but maybe somebody had seen 1285 01:06:09,769 --> 01:06:06,869 it and they're firing a gun at it that's 1286 01:06:12,470 --> 01:06:09,779 what we thought all of us herded and we 1287 01:06:14,599 --> 01:06:12,480 reported it to the investigators well 1288 01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:14,609 after the third shot this thing kind of 1289 01:06:21,130 --> 01:06:16,770 pivots it's only five feet off the 1290 01:06:25,460 --> 01:06:21,140 ground hovering sideways 40 45 foot long 1291 01:06:29,059 --> 01:06:25,470 kind of bag shape and it turns towards 1292 01:06:32,089 --> 01:06:29,069 us and here it's coming oh my lord 1293 01:06:35,450 --> 01:06:32,099 everybody is just completely about to 1294 01:06:40,549 --> 01:06:35,460 lose it but I'm not afraid this is the 1295 01:06:42,740 --> 01:06:40,559 crazy thing I'm worried about these guys 1296 01:06:45,769 --> 01:06:42,750 and my son especially because he was 1297 01:06:47,930 --> 01:06:45,779 like in shock so here this thing comes 1298 01:06:51,349 --> 01:06:47,940 and it's coming towards us in this 1299 01:06:52,100 --> 01:06:51,359 company and is coming closer is very low 1300 01:06:57,680 --> 01:06:52,110 and 1301 01:06:59,960 --> 01:06:57,690 it gets to my truck just there's trees 1302 01:07:02,450 --> 01:06:59,970 behind us like River on the riverbank 1303 01:07:05,450 --> 01:07:02,460 and these trees are about 60 or 70 foot 1304 01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:05,460 tall this thing barely clears these 1305 01:07:11,390 --> 01:07:08,610 trees I could have up said it many times 1306 01:07:13,610 --> 01:07:11,400 took taking a homemade sling shot and 1307 01:07:16,610 --> 01:07:13,620 shot it through my sunroof and it hit 1308 01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:16,620 this thing no no it was just brilliant 1309 01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:20,330 light it's blowing bright white now and 1310 01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:24,450 it was very slow but once it gets almost 1311 01:07:29,510 --> 01:07:26,850 directly overhead it kind of pivots 1312 01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:29,520 towards the north and it fires off like 1313 01:07:34,970 --> 01:07:31,290 it was shot out of a cannon just 1314 01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:34,980 disappeared immediately but now we we're 1315 01:07:38,690 --> 01:07:35,690 heading home 1316 01:07:41,300 --> 01:07:38,700 there was no if ands or buts about it 1317 01:07:44,540 --> 01:07:41,310 we're going we're going quick and these 1318 01:07:46,490 --> 01:07:44,550 guys were fighting actually fighting who 1319 01:07:57,410 --> 01:07:46,500 would get to go home to their family 1320 01:08:00,970 --> 01:07:57,420 purse you continue continue I know 1321 01:08:04,190 --> 01:08:00,980 exactly that that's exactly the mood 1322 01:08:06,380 --> 01:08:04,200 right that that's the fight that should 1323 01:08:08,090 --> 01:08:06,390 be happening right now I get to go home 1324 01:08:10,820 --> 01:08:08,100 first what do you mean I'm going home 1325 01:08:13,310 --> 01:08:10,830 first I'm closer you know that that's 1326 01:08:16,490 --> 01:08:13,320 happening I wanted to ask you really 1327 01:08:18,470 --> 01:08:16,500 quick before it flew away as it's coming 1328 01:08:20,750 --> 01:08:18,480 over the trees and you're describing 1329 01:08:22,700 --> 01:08:20,760 this brightness what was the ground and 1330 01:08:24,710 --> 01:08:22,710 everything around you illuminated too as 1331 01:08:27,230 --> 01:08:24,720 well was just everything enveloped in 1332 01:08:29,870 --> 01:08:27,240 the light absolutely 1333 01:08:31,970 --> 01:08:29,880 and what did blinding really yes and and 1334 01:08:35,690 --> 01:08:31,980 what did you what were you hearing at 1335 01:08:38,599 --> 01:08:35,700 that time couldn't hear a thing I didn't 1336 01:08:41,090 --> 01:08:38,609 hear no noise from it it was just it was 1337 01:08:44,270 --> 01:08:41,100 just I guess it could have if it wasn't 1338 01:08:46,700 --> 01:08:44,280 for all the commotion in the truck sure 1339 01:08:53,300 --> 01:08:46,710 everybody just shouting to the top of 1340 01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:53,310 their lungs and and so now this thing's 1341 01:08:59,599 --> 01:08:55,890 gone so I floor it and we're heading 1342 01:09:02,180 --> 01:08:59,609 straight at these two red glowing orbs 1343 01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:02,190 the same ones that were there at 5 1344 01:09:07,700 --> 01:09:05,850 o'clock or 5:30 that day 5:15 1345 01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:07,710 they're still there and we're heading 1346 01:09:13,940 --> 01:09:10,410 directly at them but there are little 1347 01:09:15,860 --> 01:09:13,950 ways away from the highway just beyond 1348 01:09:19,370 --> 01:09:15,870 the highway and just above the trees 1349 01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:19,380 good so we run out we make it to the 1350 01:09:26,030 --> 01:09:23,130 main pave road and I floored it and we 1351 01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:26,040 had about two miles two and a half miles 1352 01:09:31,789 --> 01:09:28,650 to get to we're two of these guys live 1353 01:09:33,710 --> 01:09:31,799 their next-door neighbors they live side 1354 01:09:35,809 --> 01:09:33,720 by side two and a half miles away so as 1355 01:09:37,460 --> 01:09:35,819 we're heading they're fighting all of 1356 01:09:41,530 --> 01:09:37,470 them I'm going home first 1357 01:09:44,690 --> 01:09:41,540 well they agreed to let this other guy 1358 01:09:46,730 --> 01:09:44,700 go home first which was four miles away 1359 01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:46,740 so we literally had to go past their 1360 01:09:51,020 --> 01:09:48,930 house drop him off turn around and come 1361 01:09:52,730 --> 01:09:51,030 back and drop these two guys off before 1362 01:09:58,730 --> 01:09:52,740 Christopher and I could head home 1363 01:10:01,820 --> 01:09:58,740 well on our way 8:2 to drop these guys 1364 01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:01,830 off there's this main power line a great 1365 01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:04,290 big high attention you know where you 1366 01:10:09,650 --> 01:10:07,050 got the big three lines four lines that 1367 01:10:11,870 --> 01:10:09,660 drew over these towers we had to cross 1368 01:10:15,380 --> 01:10:11,880 up under this thing it's right in this 1369 01:10:17,570 --> 01:10:15,390 short curve as we near this curve it's a 1370 01:10:19,250 --> 01:10:17,580 35 mile an hour courage you have to 1371 01:10:22,430 --> 01:10:19,260 really slow down they call it a dead 1372 01:10:26,330 --> 01:10:22,440 man's curve as we're going under it 1373 01:10:28,010 --> 01:10:26,340 there's this big giant dark couldn't see 1374 01:10:32,030 --> 01:10:28,020 what color it was black against the sky 1375 01:10:34,190 --> 01:10:32,040 and it had these like lights across the 1376 01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:34,200 side as we're approaching the end of it 1377 01:10:39,950 --> 01:10:36,570 back of it looked like a row of windows 1378 01:10:42,320 --> 01:10:39,960 actually and it was very low just over 1379 01:10:44,900 --> 01:10:42,330 that power line and just to our left 1380 01:10:49,340 --> 01:10:44,910 maybe 200 feet so we didn't actually go 1381 01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:49,350 under it but we were so close it was not 1382 01:10:55,340 --> 01:10:52,410 hard for anyone to see it I mean it was 1383 01:10:58,730 --> 01:10:55,350 there right over the power line I wanted 1384 01:11:01,640 --> 01:10:58,740 to stop I'm still not afraid anymore 1385 01:11:04,190 --> 01:11:01,650 but they weren't having anything to do 1386 01:11:08,450 --> 01:11:04,200 with that and it was like you can't stop 1387 01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:08,460 the floor and so I actually took on off 1388 01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:12,810 and and dropped David off first turned 1389 01:11:18,620 --> 01:11:15,570 around and came back to drop Donnie and 1390 01:11:19,440 --> 01:11:18,630 gene off and I didn't go as far as the 1391 01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:19,450 power line 1392 01:11:26,340 --> 01:11:22,090 actually Christopher was so ready to get 1393 01:11:28,260 --> 01:11:26,350 home I was ready to get him home 1394 01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:28,270 we actually instead of going back 1395 01:11:32,070 --> 01:11:30,010 towards that power line where this thing 1396 01:11:34,590 --> 01:11:32,080 is hovering so he didn't have to go 1397 01:11:37,500 --> 01:11:34,600 through any more of that I turned back 1398 01:11:39,540 --> 01:11:37,510 and went back where we dropped the first 1399 01:11:44,910 --> 01:11:39,550 Gulf and went that way home which is the 1400 01:11:48,540 --> 01:11:44,920 long way and we we made it to this main 1401 01:11:53,850 --> 01:11:48,550 four-lane road called 87 highway which 1402 01:11:55,950 --> 01:11:53,860 goes from the coast to up to Raleigh so 1403 01:11:58,430 --> 01:11:55,960 we turn left on the four-lane and we got 1404 01:12:00,780 --> 01:11:58,440 to cross back under this power line yes 1405 01:12:03,500 --> 01:12:00,790 where it's just the other side of this 1406 01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:03,510 head of woods we're paralleling the 1407 01:12:08,070 --> 01:12:06,370 four-lane so as we go under or start to 1408 01:12:10,440 --> 01:12:08,080 get towards that power line there cars 1409 01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:10,450 parked along the road six or eight cars 1410 01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:12,970 they're out they could still see this 1411 01:12:18,420 --> 01:12:15,850 big light hovering back where we just 1412 01:12:21,510 --> 01:12:18,430 came from it's about a mile across that 1413 01:12:25,050 --> 01:12:21,520 head of woods or less to where this 1414 01:12:27,450 --> 01:12:25,060 thing is still hovering of course I left 1415 01:12:30,990 --> 01:12:27,460 I went on I slowed down long enough to 1416 01:12:33,420 --> 01:12:31,000 see it and I floored it and we go on 1417 01:12:37,290 --> 01:12:33,430 home Christopher and I now it's probably 1418 01:12:43,530 --> 01:12:37,300 I don't know 11 o'clock or so I'm 1419 01:12:45,930 --> 01:12:43,540 guessing so we got a we have this fairly 1420 01:12:48,180 --> 01:12:45,940 big biped rittenhouse well it was a 1421 01:12:51,810 --> 01:12:48,190 mobile home I turned into a home and 1422 01:12:56,430 --> 01:12:51,820 it's 3,500 feet we're close to it so 1423 01:12:59,790 --> 01:12:56,440 Christopher runs in the door head of me 1424 01:13:02,040 --> 01:12:59,800 he runs to come in the back door he runs 1425 01:13:04,770 --> 01:13:02,050 to the front he turns all the outside 1426 01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:04,780 lights on closes every blind locks the 1427 01:13:11,460 --> 01:13:09,250 door he makes every bedroom he ran to he 1428 01:13:13,230 --> 01:13:11,470 would run in and close the window turn 1429 01:13:15,170 --> 01:13:13,240 the light on lock the door even the 1430 01:13:17,850 --> 01:13:15,180 bathrooms small turn the light on 1431 01:13:22,610 --> 01:13:17,860 sergeant or smart I'd have done the same 1432 01:13:25,710 --> 01:13:22,620 thing yeah so I'm in the I'm in my study 1433 01:13:31,020 --> 01:13:25,720 turning the news on trying to find out 1434 01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:31,030 if if there's any they you know if 1435 01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:32,970 there's anything on the news 1436 01:13:40,770 --> 01:13:38,410 because I just thought we were being 1437 01:13:42,480 --> 01:13:40,780 invaded we just knew that the military 1438 01:13:45,210 --> 01:13:42,490 Fort Bragg knew about it and they will 1439 01:13:47,130 --> 01:13:45,220 come in to to fight it or to do whatever 1440 01:13:51,570 --> 01:13:47,140 they were going to do to save us 1441 01:13:54,210 --> 01:13:51,580 and so that's I'm trying to find a news 1442 01:13:56,370 --> 01:13:54,220 Christina finally gets his when does all 1443 01:13:59,550 --> 01:13:56,380 batten down and doors closed and he 1444 01:14:02,870 --> 01:13:59,560 comes in there where I met and within a 1445 01:14:06,840 --> 01:14:02,880 couple of minutes then I heard something 1446 01:14:09,390 --> 01:14:06,850 it was a low hum that was kind of like 1447 01:14:11,100 --> 01:14:09,400 boom boom boom boom when it went over 1448 01:14:13,860 --> 01:14:11,110 the house and and to me I just 1449 01:14:17,400 --> 01:14:13,870 immediately thought Fort Bragg 1450 01:14:19,380 --> 01:14:17,410 that was a Chinook or it was an Apache 1451 01:14:21,390 --> 01:14:19,390 and it's heading towards the river 1452 01:14:23,210 --> 01:14:21,400 because it was going directly that way 1453 01:14:28,770 --> 01:14:23,220 and it was very low when it came over 1454 01:14:32,910 --> 01:14:28,780 that's what I thought well within two or 1455 01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:32,920 three minutes it it wasn't long my dad 1456 01:14:39,900 --> 01:14:36,610 lived next door we had six acres out in 1457 01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:39,910 the rural part of the county I was born 1458 01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:41,770 and raised there it was a dirt road 1459 01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:44,410 they didn't pave it till I was 16 so 1460 01:14:49,130 --> 01:14:46,690 that tells you it was kind of 15 miles 1461 01:14:54,690 --> 01:14:49,140 from south of Fayetteville mm-hmm 1462 01:14:57,300 --> 01:14:54,700 so we have you know large lot six acres 1463 01:14:59,640 --> 01:14:57,310 between us dad not side by side and 1464 01:15:02,040 --> 01:14:59,650 behind the house he's got all these 1465 01:15:05,190 --> 01:15:02,050 hound dogs that he's raised since before 1466 01:15:09,420 --> 01:15:05,200 I was born he had 104 was the most yeah 1467 01:15:12,480 --> 01:15:09,430 it's a really large kennel enclosed roof 1468 01:15:16,290 --> 01:15:12,490 over it lights very nice but every dog 1469 01:15:18,270 --> 01:15:16,300 in that pan there were 15 at least pound 1470 01:15:22,140 --> 01:15:18,280 dogs and they have a very loud voice 1471 01:15:24,660 --> 01:15:22,150 they were making this noise that it 1472 01:15:27,300 --> 01:15:24,670 really stood my hereupon in because they 1473 01:15:29,790 --> 01:15:27,310 were seeing something that they sounded 1474 01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:29,800 like they didn't know what it was they 1475 01:15:36,210 --> 01:15:34,330 were cautious afraid my dad would call 1476 01:15:38,160 --> 01:15:36,220 it a boob art that's what do you say 1477 01:15:42,830 --> 01:15:38,170 that they're afraid of something bright 1478 01:15:45,510 --> 01:15:42,840 so that these 15 dogs are just there 1479 01:15:46,790 --> 01:15:45,520 that you can hear them a half a mile 1480 01:15:50,210 --> 01:15:46,800 away there that laugh 1481 01:15:52,420 --> 01:15:50,220 and I jumped up and I ran through the 1482 01:15:55,820 --> 01:15:52,430 back door because immediately I thought 1483 01:15:59,240 --> 01:15:55,830 somebody's breaking into dad's shop as 1484 01:16:02,180 --> 01:15:59,250 we shared this 30 by 40 building 1485 01:16:05,240 --> 01:16:02,190 together where we worked on boats and 1486 01:16:07,130 --> 01:16:05,250 cars and motorcycles and all my tools a 1487 01:16:10,660 --> 01:16:07,140 dad and I stuck together out there now 1488 01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:10,670 like I think is its near the dog kennel 1489 01:16:15,730 --> 01:16:13,530 somebody's out there around it about to 1490 01:16:17,570 --> 01:16:15,740 break in and these dogs are seeing it 1491 01:16:20,690 --> 01:16:17,580 that's what I thought 1492 01:16:22,460 --> 01:16:20,700 I wasn't thinking the more you fo the 1493 01:16:24,170 --> 01:16:22,470 Kris Jenner is like no daddy please 1494 01:16:26,240 --> 01:16:24,180 don't go out there please don't us his 1495 01:16:29,270 --> 01:16:26,250 son we're going out there I've got to 1496 01:16:31,010 --> 01:16:29,280 see who's breaking in bad shot Rosie's 1497 01:16:34,250 --> 01:16:31,020 at the back door I'm looking through the 1498 01:16:37,220 --> 01:16:34,260 glass and she's a hundred hundred pound 1499 01:16:40,520 --> 01:16:37,230 Chesapeake Bay Retriever hair all 1500 01:16:42,740 --> 01:16:40,530 standing up and she's barking looking in 1501 01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:42,750 the direction of the dog kennel which is 1502 01:16:49,370 --> 01:16:44,570 close to 100 yards away 1503 01:16:51,890 --> 01:16:49,380 down in the woods behind our house so I 1504 01:16:53,090 --> 01:16:51,900 managed to talk Christopher and it will 1505 01:16:56,090 --> 01:16:53,100 be very quiet 1506 01:16:57,620 --> 01:16:56,100 we'll use Rosie in front of us too to 1507 01:17:02,000 --> 01:16:57,630 protect this and she wouldn't let nobody 1508 01:17:05,210 --> 01:17:02,010 bothers I knew that and I so I said just 1509 01:17:09,710 --> 01:17:05,220 not use a flashlight will ease back down 1510 01:17:12,380 --> 01:17:09,720 the path to to where the dogs are and 1511 01:17:16,490 --> 01:17:12,390 kind of stay out of sight and see if we 1512 01:17:18,350 --> 01:17:16,500 see somebody Rosie or chase them so he 1513 01:17:20,150 --> 01:17:18,360 grabs me by the back of the shirt and 1514 01:17:22,940 --> 01:17:20,160 out the door when I opened that door 1515 01:17:24,980 --> 01:17:22,950 Rosie looked up at me and took off and 1516 01:17:27,590 --> 01:17:24,990 she ran out about 20 yards and stopped 1517 01:17:29,900 --> 01:17:27,600 and looked back and I motioned her 1518 01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:29,910 forward and we're coming towards her 1519 01:17:34,730 --> 01:17:32,610 very quiet and she takes off she runs 1520 01:17:37,430 --> 01:17:34,740 out of sight back to where the kennel is 1521 01:17:40,490 --> 01:17:37,440 so Christopher and I sneak our way back 1522 01:17:43,310 --> 01:17:40,500 in the dark we get up near the kennel 1523 01:17:47,240 --> 01:17:43,320 and I was autumn instantly perplexed 1524 01:17:50,450 --> 01:17:47,250 because they're not looking out towards 1525 01:17:52,370 --> 01:17:50,460 the road towards the front of the kennel 1526 01:17:54,680 --> 01:17:52,380 where the garage is it's right in front 1527 01:17:56,450 --> 01:17:54,690 of the garage dog kennels they're 1528 01:17:59,120 --> 01:17:56,460 actually looking out the back in the 1529 01:18:00,560 --> 01:17:59,130 forest and there's real thick stuff you 1530 01:18:03,170 --> 01:18:00,570 can hardly walk that 1531 01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:03,180 so I immediately thought well I can't be 1532 01:18:08,810 --> 01:18:06,810 a person because if they were worried 1533 01:18:10,580 --> 01:18:08,820 about being seen they to hit the road 1534 01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:10,590 and been gone they wouldn't be back 1535 01:18:16,160 --> 01:18:14,370 behind the dog kennel word Rosie go but 1536 01:18:18,710 --> 01:18:16,170 she's she's frozen right 1537 01:18:21,320 --> 01:18:18,720 Oh kennel I mean three feet from me 1538 01:18:24,110 --> 01:18:21,330 she's pointing and her hair standing up 1539 01:18:26,060 --> 01:18:24,120 she's barking in the thick woods and all 1540 01:18:29,180 --> 01:18:26,070 these 15 hounds are doing the same 1541 01:18:32,090 --> 01:18:29,190 they're barking that is real like my 1542 01:18:35,120 --> 01:18:32,100 hair standing up by now because it was 1543 01:18:36,650 --> 01:18:35,130 just real creepy the way they were they 1544 01:18:38,540 --> 01:18:36,660 didn't know what they were seeing I 1545 01:18:41,060 --> 01:18:38,550 guess all I could think maybe some bear 1546 01:18:44,810 --> 01:18:41,070 because they've been bear spotted just 1547 01:18:47,240 --> 01:18:44,820 down the street from us on recently at 1548 01:18:50,420 --> 01:18:47,250 that time so I whispered to Krista 1549 01:18:53,420 --> 01:18:50,430 present jr. I'm gonna send Rosie in on 1550 01:18:58,340 --> 01:18:53,430 whatever's in there and let's ran let's 1551 01:19:00,290 --> 01:18:58,350 run back out to our side of the lot our 1552 01:19:02,330 --> 01:19:00,300 lot goes grass all the way to the rear 1553 01:19:04,640 --> 01:19:02,340 of the property this head of woods is 1554 01:19:07,280 --> 01:19:04,650 behind dad's house I immediately thought 1555 01:19:09,650 --> 01:19:07,290 we could run back out towards the yard 1556 01:19:11,330 --> 01:19:09,660 take a laughing go down about a hundred 1557 01:19:14,630 --> 01:19:11,340 yards to the back of the property and 1558 01:19:16,850 --> 01:19:14,640 stop and hide and see whatever she runs 1559 01:19:17,960 --> 01:19:16,860 out of there and I'm thinking bear now 1560 01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:17,970 right right 1561 01:19:24,800 --> 01:19:22,290 so I take off we made an agreement he's 1562 01:19:28,550 --> 01:19:24,810 got me by the back of the shirt we took 1563 01:19:31,370 --> 01:19:28,560 off running hard as we could and we run 1564 01:19:33,590 --> 01:19:31,380 all the way back to the back I thought 1565 01:19:35,270 --> 01:19:33,600 well actually when I made a left and 1566 01:19:38,770 --> 01:19:35,280 turn 1567 01:19:44,150 --> 01:19:38,780 Christopher pulled out away from me and 1568 01:19:47,270 --> 01:19:44,160 I just knew he was coming behind me so I 1569 01:19:49,550 --> 01:19:47,280 run and I run I didn't didn't look back 1570 01:19:51,320 --> 01:19:49,560 I just knew he was behind me and I ran 1571 01:19:53,540 --> 01:19:51,330 to the back and run up to this big oak 1572 01:19:54,200 --> 01:19:53,550 tree is you can't reach around it I mean 1573 01:19:57,530 --> 01:19:54,210 it's huge 1574 01:19:59,960 --> 01:19:57,540 and I run to it in the full run and then 1575 01:20:00,740 --> 01:19:59,970 stop myself against it and I'm trying to 1576 01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:00,750 catch my breath 1577 01:20:08,630 --> 01:20:05,850 and I look back behind him back behind 1578 01:20:10,310 --> 01:20:08,640 me to see if he's coming if he and I 1579 01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:10,320 just thought he was about to get to me 1580 01:20:17,910 --> 01:20:15,010 and when I look behind me Jimmy I use 1581 01:20:20,310 --> 01:20:17,920 just uh I just thought I was going it 1582 01:20:22,669 --> 01:20:20,320 was it I thought it was the end of my 1583 01:20:26,189 --> 01:20:22,679 life at that moment because behind me 1584 01:20:27,660 --> 01:20:26,199 about I don't know four to six bit away 1585 01:20:31,410 --> 01:20:27,670 I could have leaned forward and touched 1586 01:20:36,060 --> 01:20:31,420 it was this looks like about a four foot 1587 01:20:38,310 --> 01:20:36,070 tall size of a four-year-old child it 1588 01:20:40,290 --> 01:20:38,320 was standing there staring me dead in 1589 01:20:41,759 --> 01:20:40,300 the face and I'm my hands are against 1590 01:20:44,819 --> 01:20:41,769 the tree I'm looking behind me right 1591 01:20:48,419 --> 01:20:44,829 over my shoulder and I'm like oh my god 1592 01:20:50,850 --> 01:20:48,429 this is it I turned I made myself closer 1593 01:20:53,339 --> 01:20:50,860 to the tree and turned myself trying not 1594 01:20:55,080 --> 01:20:53,349 to get closer to it and I got my back 1595 01:20:58,229 --> 01:20:55,090 against the tree and I looked right at 1596 01:20:59,120 --> 01:20:58,239 it and I said I surrender I mean you no 1597 01:21:01,919 --> 01:20:59,130 harm 1598 01:21:04,020 --> 01:21:01,929 and at that time here's Rosie she's 1599 01:21:08,399 --> 01:21:04,030 getting closer she's coming through this 1600 01:21:11,879 --> 01:21:08,409 arse this thing says very loud I heard 1601 01:21:17,339 --> 01:21:11,889 it like a voice and it's standing there 1602 01:21:20,939 --> 01:21:17,349 is no expression it's it's glowing like 1603 01:21:23,939 --> 01:21:20,949 the color of the moon its chest there's 1604 01:21:25,830 --> 01:21:23,949 a triangle a dark looking triangle in 1605 01:21:27,629 --> 01:21:25,840 its chest it's going so bright I 1606 01:21:30,779 --> 01:21:27,639 couldn't see nothing but the triangle 1607 01:21:35,759 --> 01:21:30,789 there and which is very important by the 1608 01:21:38,310 --> 01:21:35,769 way and I'll get into that later but it 1609 01:21:41,040 --> 01:21:38,320 just says in this loud voice in my head 1610 01:21:43,759 --> 01:21:41,050 it says you don't understand we're not 1611 01:21:47,910 --> 01:21:43,769 here to harm you we're here to help you 1612 01:21:50,009 --> 01:21:47,920 so here comes Rosie all at the same time 1613 01:21:51,569 --> 01:21:50,019 this is happening it's less than a 1614 01:21:53,720 --> 01:21:51,579 minute you know I see this thing and 1615 01:21:56,970 --> 01:21:53,730 within a minute it's all taking place 1616 01:21:59,129 --> 01:21:56,980 Rosie starting to come out out of the 1617 01:22:00,990 --> 01:21:59,139 forest almost the burst out of the woods 1618 01:22:04,589 --> 01:22:01,000 and this thing disappears right in front 1619 01:22:08,339 --> 01:22:04,599 of me she comes by me still barking and 1620 01:22:10,529 --> 01:22:08,349 runs right on out of hearing at least a 1621 01:22:13,799 --> 01:22:10,539 quarter-mile I heard her barking as she 1622 01:22:16,770 --> 01:22:13,809 went on down you know away from me into 1623 01:22:21,540 --> 01:22:16,780 these thick forests to the north of us 1624 01:22:24,899 --> 01:22:21,550 and so I just [\h__\h] I'm shaken to the 1625 01:22:27,870 --> 01:22:24,909 core now because now this thing has 1626 01:22:28,950 --> 01:22:27,880 become a reality I've seen what junior 1627 01:22:32,700 --> 01:22:28,960 is describing 1628 01:22:35,820 --> 01:22:32,710 it's got these this glassy looking 1629 01:22:38,810 --> 01:22:35,830 appearance I mean it looked like it was 1630 01:22:42,420 --> 01:22:38,820 polished the outside of his body 1631 01:22:44,700 --> 01:22:42,430 gleaming and it was wearing I would 1632 01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:44,710 guess this one-piece suit with a 1633 01:22:50,430 --> 01:22:47,530 triangle but it's glowing and it looks 1634 01:22:52,650 --> 01:22:50,440 kind of glassy looking on this limbs I 1635 01:22:55,740 --> 01:22:52,660 could see the triangle and its eyes 1636 01:23:01,260 --> 01:22:55,750 actually reflecting on its limbs because 1637 01:23:04,590 --> 01:23:01,270 it was so bright fiery right and so I 1638 01:23:06,090 --> 01:23:04,600 take off in a slow walk back to the 1639 01:23:08,720 --> 01:23:06,100 house and I'm trying to think 1640 01:23:11,070 --> 01:23:08,730 I can't tell Christopher what I just saw 1641 01:23:13,320 --> 01:23:11,080 what he did is he ran through the house 1642 01:23:15,510 --> 01:23:13,330 when he pulled when I made a left he 1643 01:23:16,980 --> 01:23:15,520 made a right here into the house and was 1644 01:23:19,260 --> 01:23:16,990 standing at the back door looking 1645 01:23:22,140 --> 01:23:19,270 through the back door and as I 1646 01:23:25,110 --> 01:23:22,150 approached it I'm thinking man I have 1647 01:23:30,030 --> 01:23:25,120 got to have a cigarette and I was a 1648 01:23:32,250 --> 01:23:30,040 smoker then I had been about 8 or 10 1649 01:23:34,320 --> 01:23:32,260 years at that time but I quit just after 1650 01:23:36,930 --> 01:23:34,330 that no it's okay it's cigarette time 1651 01:23:39,510 --> 01:23:36,940 for sure yeah his cigarette time right 1652 01:23:41,640 --> 01:23:39,520 so I open the door and I'm not telling 1653 01:23:45,090 --> 01:23:41,650 jr. what just happened I didn't want to 1654 01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:45,100 tell him so I go in my study not 1655 01:23:48,690 --> 01:23:46,810 thinking I've got a smoke I've got a 1656 01:23:52,470 --> 01:23:48,700 smoke and he's not gonna be happy if I 1657 01:23:54,780 --> 01:23:52,480 go outside so I walk up to my couch and 1658 01:23:56,340 --> 01:23:54,790 at the back of the couch is a window 1659 01:23:58,740 --> 01:23:56,350 behind the couch so I'll put my knees up 1660 01:24:01,110 --> 01:23:58,750 on the couch and I'm trying to raise the 1661 01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:01,120 blind and Christopher Sam what are you 1662 01:24:06,090 --> 01:24:02,890 doing don't do that David what are you 1663 01:24:08,340 --> 01:24:06,100 doing and I said son I got a smoke I 1664 01:24:11,640 --> 01:24:08,350 just got to have a cigarette so I raised 1665 01:24:14,250 --> 01:24:11,650 that blind and when I did about 20 feet 1666 01:24:17,160 --> 01:24:14,260 from my house the the floodlights were 1667 01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:17,170 shining very bright there's this thing 1668 01:24:23,100 --> 01:24:19,930 coming towards the window and I saw it 1669 01:24:26,660 --> 01:24:23,110 fairly plain and it's about 8 foot tall 1670 01:24:29,700 --> 01:24:26,670 and I've seen this little one just now 1671 01:24:32,130 --> 01:24:29,710 same thing kris Jenner's described but 1672 01:24:35,250 --> 01:24:32,140 now here's this very tall looking thing 1673 01:24:38,970 --> 01:24:35,260 big head big eyes coming towards me and 1674 01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:38,980 it scared me extremely I mean it that 1675 01:24:42,810 --> 01:24:41,050 one made the chills come over me too I 1676 01:24:45,390 --> 01:24:42,820 feel like I just stuck my 1677 01:24:48,540 --> 01:24:45,400 finger in a light socket and all I 1678 01:24:50,910 --> 01:24:48,550 thought was okay protection time so I 1679 01:24:53,070 --> 01:24:50,920 ran I grabbed him I didn't tell him what 1680 01:24:55,080 --> 01:24:53,080 I just seen I just slammed the window 1681 01:24:58,640 --> 01:24:55,090 down I grabbed him by the arm and out 1682 01:25:01,200 --> 01:24:58,650 the front door we went we got my truck 1683 01:25:02,730 --> 01:25:01,210 and actually parked it on the side the 1684 01:25:05,370 --> 01:25:02,740 house we went out the front door I 1685 01:25:08,280 --> 01:25:05,380 wasn't going out where it was I ran 1686 01:25:11,280 --> 01:25:08,290 around and we jumped in the truck and we 1687 01:25:13,200 --> 01:25:11,290 took off from there he's like where 1688 01:25:16,440 --> 01:25:13,210 we're going I sit away from here son 1689 01:25:18,210 --> 01:25:16,450 okay ended okay let's stop right there 1690 01:25:20,220 --> 01:25:18,220 got to take a break Chris I'm on the 1691 01:25:22,740 --> 01:25:20,230 edge of my seat and I know everybody 1692 01:25:27,510 --> 01:25:22,750 else is but I gotta take a break so 1693 01:25:31,500 --> 01:25:27,520 let's get this in food man man man Chris 1694 01:25:33,180 --> 01:25:31,510 Chris Chris okay all right this is fade 1695 01:25:35,490 --> 01:25:33,190 to black I'm Yours Jamie Church I guess 1696 01:25:37,530 --> 01:25:35,500 Mike Chris Bledsoe when we come back 1697 01:25:51,900 --> 01:25:37,540 we'll talk about the escape from the 1698 01:25:55,930 --> 01:25:54,160 welcome back fade to black our guest 1699 01:25:59,020 --> 01:25:55,940 tonight Chris Bledsoe tomorrow night 1700 01:26:02,920 --> 01:25:59,030 Richard Dolan Thursday night Jason quit 1701 01:26:03,490 --> 01:26:02,930 quit Spira see part two tonight it's 1702 01:26:10,450 --> 01:26:03,500 Chris 1703 01:26:15,850 --> 01:26:10,460 lot of interviews and a lot of 1704 01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:15,860 experience with this and and this well 1705 01:26:22,450 --> 01:26:19,010 it's extraordinary it's taken things to 1706 01:26:25,150 --> 01:26:22,460 another level but that part of it and 1707 01:26:27,939 --> 01:26:25,160 the fact that you've got co-workers 1708 01:26:31,660 --> 01:26:27,949 involved your son is involved your dogs 1709 01:26:36,550 --> 01:26:31,670 are involved right this this is a this 1710 01:26:39,610 --> 01:26:36,560 is an emotional experience for you and I 1711 01:26:41,410 --> 01:26:39,620 can't imagine coming out of this on the 1712 01:26:45,280 --> 01:26:41,420 other side the same person and obviously 1713 01:26:47,950 --> 01:26:45,290 weren't but Wow Wow extraordinary now I 1714 01:26:49,930 --> 01:26:47,960 wanted to I brought up your three 1715 01:26:52,840 --> 01:26:49,940 co-workers for a reason before we move 1716 01:26:55,170 --> 01:26:52,850 on with the escape and I want to get to 1717 01:26:59,160 --> 01:26:55,180 the triangle in the chest who as well is 1718 01:27:04,209 --> 01:26:59,170 your your co-workers Jean and the boys 1719 01:27:08,350 --> 01:27:04,219 are are they are they with you are they 1720 01:27:10,180 --> 01:27:08,360 going to speak about this well they did 1721 01:27:12,729 --> 01:27:10,190 originally you know in the in the 1722 01:27:14,410 --> 01:27:12,739 discoveries show and they ran into the 1723 01:27:16,270 --> 01:27:14,420 same problem because we're all neighbors 1724 01:27:19,060 --> 01:27:16,280 right they live a couple three four 1725 01:27:24,100 --> 01:27:19,070 miles away right and our kids our kids 1726 01:27:27,040 --> 01:27:24,110 went to the same schools and when it all 1727 01:27:32,200 --> 01:27:27,050 went down the ridicule came so bad in 1728 01:27:34,750 --> 01:27:32,210 our community and it was due to the 1729 01:27:37,540 --> 01:27:34,760 video of this show we did it made me 1730 01:27:41,470 --> 01:27:37,550 look like I was a liar and them I mean 1731 01:27:44,740 --> 01:27:41,480 like they were cooks and all of us so 1732 01:27:48,580 --> 01:27:44,750 they decided to never discuss it again 1733 01:27:50,800 --> 01:27:48,590 and if I see him occasionally we do but 1734 01:27:53,439 --> 01:27:50,810 publicly they don't want to do that 1735 01:27:59,439 --> 01:27:53,449 public ever again because it was tough I 1736 01:28:02,140 --> 01:27:59,449 mean it was tough and I and see I tried 1737 01:28:04,380 --> 01:28:02,150 that I tried to not go public after I 1738 01:28:07,800 --> 01:28:04,390 went the first time it never 1739 01:28:11,580 --> 01:28:07,810 stop coming and it's still coming saw it 1740 01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:11,590 tonight so they don't talk about it a 1741 01:28:19,440 --> 01:28:15,610 whole lot okay yeah yeah I can 1742 01:28:24,510 --> 01:28:19,450 understand why I I totally can't back to 1743 01:28:27,540 --> 01:28:24,520 the escape what happens next so we run 1744 01:28:30,660 --> 01:28:27,550 out the front door we go run side grab 1745 01:28:32,280 --> 01:28:30,670 my truck and juniors like what's wrong 1746 01:28:34,380 --> 01:28:32,290 dad what's wrong I said there's 1747 01:28:37,440 --> 01:28:34,390 something in the yard son there's just 1748 01:28:40,320 --> 01:28:37,450 we're not staying here so we go out and 1749 01:28:42,930 --> 01:28:40,330 we actually go to my father's house I 1750 01:28:45,660 --> 01:28:42,940 drove up to his right where his bedroom 1751 01:28:47,940 --> 01:28:45,670 windows and this probably Midnighter 1752 01:28:50,520 --> 01:28:47,950 it's close to it by now and I knock on 1753 01:28:52,650 --> 01:28:50,530 dad's went in he he said What's Wrong 1754 01:28:54,690 --> 01:28:52,660 son I said there's something in our yard 1755 01:28:57,510 --> 01:28:54,700 I don't know what it is but I'm not 1756 01:29:00,210 --> 01:28:57,520 staying here you need to be careful and 1757 01:29:02,370 --> 01:29:00,220 he thought I was I was drinking he said 1758 01:29:05,070 --> 01:29:02,380 are you on drugs I said absolutely not 1759 01:29:09,270 --> 01:29:05,080 dad I mean are you drinking us and no 1760 01:29:11,490 --> 01:29:09,280 dad and I wasn't getting support there 1761 01:29:13,860 --> 01:29:11,500 you know he's coming out of asleep and 1762 01:29:16,530 --> 01:29:13,870 he just couldn't grasp what I'm trying 1763 01:29:20,550 --> 01:29:16,540 to tell him and the fear that jr. and I 1764 01:29:23,240 --> 01:29:20,560 were experiencing so we got it we I went 1765 01:29:27,510 --> 01:29:23,250 back jumped in the truck left him and 1766 01:29:30,770 --> 01:29:27,520 Wonder and we drove about eight said 1767 01:29:33,450 --> 01:29:30,780 make miles away to our local hay field 1768 01:29:37,020 --> 01:29:33,460 where there's a ball park and community 1769 01:29:38,700 --> 01:29:37,030 area and out in our community and drove 1770 01:29:41,640 --> 01:29:38,710 right out in the very center of that 1771 01:29:44,910 --> 01:29:41,650 field where I could see in every 1772 01:29:47,070 --> 01:29:44,920 direction and let the truck running and 1773 01:29:50,550 --> 01:29:47,080 that's where we spent the night until it 1774 01:29:54,420 --> 01:29:50,560 got daylight the next point and that was 1775 01:29:56,820 --> 01:29:54,430 the end of the whole that night I mean 1776 01:30:00,150 --> 01:29:56,830 literally it was terrifying I wasn't 1777 01:30:02,790 --> 01:30:00,160 scared to begin with I was to begin with 1778 01:30:04,830 --> 01:30:02,800 and then remember I kept saying after I 1779 01:30:06,690 --> 01:30:04,840 came back to the fire I wasn't afraid 1780 01:30:10,530 --> 01:30:06,700 but when I raised that wound and saw 1781 01:30:14,730 --> 01:30:10,540 this big entity coming towards me it 1782 01:30:17,640 --> 01:30:14,740 just it brought back I mean I can't 1783 01:30:18,150 --> 01:30:17,650 words can't describe the the electricity 1784 01:30:21,750 --> 01:30:18,160 that I 1785 01:30:24,690 --> 01:30:21,760 though that caused me to grab my son and 1786 01:30:28,440 --> 01:30:24,700 and flee thinking I'm protecting this 1787 01:30:32,010 --> 01:30:28,450 boat and so we get home the next morning 1788 01:30:34,830 --> 01:30:32,020 and every day of my life I had to take 1789 01:30:37,950 --> 01:30:34,840 all these regiments and medication and 1790 01:30:38,550 --> 01:30:37,960 if I went a day without it I couldn't 1791 01:30:40,680 --> 01:30:38,560 function 1792 01:30:43,800 --> 01:30:40,690 I would I would go backwards a week 1793 01:30:47,520 --> 01:30:43,810 maybe two just so crucial I had this 1794 01:30:49,680 --> 01:30:47,530 medicine every day well it's now 10 or 1795 01:30:52,350 --> 01:30:49,690 11 o'clock we're home and I'm thinking 1796 01:30:55,500 --> 01:30:52,360 oh I forgot my medication I forgot my 1797 01:30:58,290 --> 01:30:55,510 meds but I don't feel sick I had no 1798 01:30:59,940 --> 01:30:58,300 symptoms that morning let me let me jump 1799 01:31:04,830 --> 01:30:59,950 in Chris if you don't mind 1800 01:31:09,150 --> 01:31:04,840 the medication is is not for pain it's 1801 01:31:10,950 --> 01:31:09,160 not narcotics it's I just want everybody 1802 01:31:13,020 --> 01:31:10,960 to understand we're talking about is it 1803 01:31:15,890 --> 01:31:13,030 okay if I don't want to talk about your 1804 01:31:23,520 --> 01:31:21,480 for arthritis you weren't taking you 1805 01:31:26,790 --> 01:31:23,530 we're not talking about drugs we're 1806 01:31:28,830 --> 01:31:26,800 talking about a steroids right well 1807 01:31:31,110 --> 01:31:28,840 that's now I take that because I have 1808 01:31:33,870 --> 01:31:31,120 rheumatoid that came just a few years 1809 01:31:37,920 --> 01:31:33,880 ago but at that time I was taking 1810 01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:37,930 steroids and this stuff called ribbon 1811 01:31:45,540 --> 01:31:42,010 all Remicade of different medications 1812 01:31:48,090 --> 01:31:45,550 that they treat IBS and Crohn's for 1813 01:31:50,850 --> 01:31:48,100 right stomach stomach intestinal 1814 01:31:54,570 --> 01:31:50,860 medications right right right right and 1815 01:31:57,150 --> 01:31:54,580 so that that right there is worth the 1816 01:32:01,020 --> 01:31:57,160 panic right there because you need you 1817 01:32:04,350 --> 01:32:01,030 need your meds and okay so continuing 1818 01:32:05,820 --> 01:32:04,360 and before I'm looking at the clock 1819 01:32:08,190 --> 01:32:05,830 we're gonna be at the bottom of the hour 1820 01:32:10,560 --> 01:32:08,200 I can already tell we're gonna hang this 1821 01:32:13,860 --> 01:32:10,570 over into overtime so I'm gonna ask you 1822 01:32:16,680 --> 01:32:13,870 now to prepare for the Hat types there's 1823 01:32:19,770 --> 01:32:16,690 no way we're gonna end this show in 20 1824 01:32:22,200 --> 01:32:19,780 minutes so okay so now you guys return 1825 01:32:26,760 --> 01:32:22,210 home it's 10:00 a.m. 1826 01:32:30,180 --> 01:32:26,770 you forgot your meds right so I start 1827 01:32:32,020 --> 01:32:30,190 thinking or start looking for minutes as 1828 01:32:36,520 --> 01:32:32,030 I'm looking for them to go 1829 01:32:40,080 --> 01:32:36,530 and take them up I'm assessing my 1830 01:32:44,100 --> 01:32:40,090 symptoms which is usually severe nausea 1831 01:32:46,990 --> 01:32:44,110 and severe diarrhea that comes with 1832 01:32:48,730 --> 01:32:47,000 Crohn's disease and without this 1833 01:32:51,370 --> 01:32:48,740 medication I would start feeling like 1834 01:32:52,930 --> 01:32:51,380 I'm gonna throw up and that was the 1835 01:32:56,620 --> 01:32:52,940 first symptom well I didn't have that 1836 01:32:58,870 --> 01:32:56,630 and within two to three days every 1837 01:33:01,480 --> 01:32:58,880 symptom was gone and I never took any 1838 01:33:03,790 --> 01:33:01,490 more medication for that and after 1839 01:33:07,210 --> 01:33:03,800 seventeen and a half years of suffering 1840 01:33:10,330 --> 01:33:07,220 with it being treated for it it was 1841 01:33:16,930 --> 01:33:10,340 never there again it's gone disappeared 1842 01:33:19,240 --> 01:33:16,940 and so my wife comes home a couple three 1843 01:33:23,290 --> 01:33:19,250 days later I tell her about everything 1844 01:33:26,710 --> 01:33:23,300 and she's terrified she don't know what 1845 01:33:28,390 --> 01:33:26,720 to think everybody around thinks I'm 1846 01:33:33,570 --> 01:33:28,400 nuts 1847 01:33:37,440 --> 01:33:33,580 I'm seeing Satan some of the churches or 1848 01:33:40,120 --> 01:33:37,450 actually they would wait till I left and 1849 01:33:42,100 --> 01:33:40,130 there was a church or two that would 1850 01:33:46,300 --> 01:33:42,110 come out and sprinkle holy water and my 1851 01:33:48,580 --> 01:33:46,310 property my dad thought I was drinking 1852 01:33:50,320 --> 01:33:48,590 or he didn't believe it nobody wants to 1853 01:33:52,200 --> 01:33:50,330 believe in this kind of stuff but I 1854 01:33:57,730 --> 01:33:52,210 thought everybody would want to believe 1855 01:34:02,560 --> 01:33:57,740 and so that sent me into almost ten 1856 01:34:04,990 --> 01:34:02,570 months in my room not telling it 1857 01:34:07,690 --> 01:34:05,000 publicly because my wife thought I was a 1858 01:34:09,820 --> 01:34:07,700 scary and my children to death now 1859 01:34:11,440 --> 01:34:09,830 everybody in the community knows about 1860 01:34:14,070 --> 01:34:11,450 it and they're all talking about it and 1861 01:34:17,320 --> 01:34:14,080 I'm feeling more ostracized and more 1862 01:34:19,000 --> 01:34:17,330 depression I'm in this one room not 1863 01:34:23,470 --> 01:34:19,010 going to tell it because she didn't want 1864 01:34:25,630 --> 01:34:23,480 me to I was hoping it would go away but 1865 01:34:28,810 --> 01:34:25,640 I had this worst headache I tried to 1866 01:34:30,540 --> 01:34:28,820 remember that missing time and every 1867 01:34:33,790 --> 01:34:30,550 time I would think about it it would 1868 01:34:35,440 --> 01:34:33,800 actually make me pass out my wife would 1869 01:34:37,270 --> 01:34:35,450 tell you that I would if somebody 1870 01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:37,280 questioned me about it I've tried to 1871 01:34:43,150 --> 01:34:40,010 think about it it would I would just 1872 01:34:45,080 --> 01:34:43,160 pass out stress from it in my head we 1873 01:34:51,770 --> 01:34:45,090 hurt so bad 1874 01:34:53,839 --> 01:34:51,780 so ten months into it we had no TV so we 1875 01:34:56,629 --> 01:34:53,849 just had internet so I'm on the internet 1876 01:35:01,580 --> 01:34:56,639 surfing everything I can find about UFOs 1877 01:35:04,070 --> 01:35:01,590 and this UFO FILES comes on first time 1878 01:35:08,419 --> 01:35:04,080 I've seen it and this Stanton Freeman 1879 01:35:10,430 --> 01:35:08,429 and he's talking about this stuff and I 1880 01:35:14,180 --> 01:35:10,440 thought oh my lord this is a pretty 1881 01:35:20,149 --> 01:35:14,190 credible guy he's talking about it it 1882 01:35:21,620 --> 01:35:20,159 kind of gave me the strength to start 1883 01:35:24,020 --> 01:35:21,630 thinking I'm going to tell this to 1884 01:35:24,770 --> 01:35:24,030 somebody I need to talk to this guy saw 1885 01:35:27,649 --> 01:35:24,780 like a thing 1886 01:35:32,000 --> 01:35:27,659 and so they advertised MUFON on their 1887 01:35:34,209 --> 01:35:32,010 website and so I went on line and they 1888 01:35:39,530 --> 01:35:34,219 said report your sighting here so I 1889 01:35:40,160 --> 01:35:39,540 filled out the form and I didn't hit 1890 01:35:42,800 --> 01:35:40,170 Send 1891 01:35:46,430 --> 01:35:42,810 for two weeks because I just knew if I 1892 01:35:48,320 --> 01:35:46,440 did this I would be in trouble with my 1893 01:35:50,089 --> 01:35:48,330 family and my wife didn't want me 1894 01:35:52,430 --> 01:35:50,099 talking about it because these kids were 1895 01:35:54,950 --> 01:35:52,440 absolutely terrified my daughter you 1896 01:35:56,600 --> 01:35:54,960 know she's ten years old and they were 1897 01:35:59,390 --> 01:35:56,610 just hoping it would go away 1898 01:36:01,459 --> 01:35:59,400 so for two weeks long about the 15th 1899 01:36:05,300 --> 01:36:01,469 October which is my birthday 1900 01:36:08,419 --> 01:36:05,310 hits in but within a day I get a call 1901 01:36:11,950 --> 01:36:08,429 from someone in California Jim DiMaggio 1902 01:36:16,640 --> 01:36:11,960 wait wait and when's your birthday 1903 01:36:18,850 --> 01:36:16,650 October 15th 61 okay I thought you said 1904 01:36:21,950 --> 01:36:18,860 something at my birthday is October 10th 1905 01:36:29,780 --> 01:36:21,960 and I thought you said October 10th I 1906 01:36:33,140 --> 01:36:29,790 was okay so Los Angeles reaches out yeah 1907 01:36:36,260 --> 01:36:33,150 right and says we'd like to come visit 1908 01:36:38,720 --> 01:36:36,270 you there's a local guy in your area 1909 01:36:41,750 --> 01:36:38,730 that that is the local investigator can 1910 01:36:45,320 --> 01:36:41,760 we send him out and I said sure and so 1911 01:36:48,530 --> 01:36:45,330 another day goes by and this gentleman 1912 01:36:51,290 --> 01:36:48,540 by the name is Steve McDaniels he's from 1913 01:36:53,120 --> 01:36:51,300 Raleigh about an hour way.you calls and 1914 01:36:56,209 --> 01:36:53,130 says I want to come do an investigation 1915 01:36:58,680 --> 01:36:56,219 so I've got cold feet again I thought no 1916 01:37:03,830 --> 01:36:58,690 I can't do this 1917 01:37:07,050 --> 01:37:03,840 maybe divorced you know just just 1918 01:37:09,410 --> 01:37:07,060 agonizing over should i tell us so i put 1919 01:37:12,090 --> 01:37:09,420 him on hold and here comes Christmas 1920 01:37:15,720 --> 01:37:12,100 right after Christmas he writes me and 1921 01:37:17,100 --> 01:37:15,730 he says well I guess since you're not 1922 01:37:19,770 --> 01:37:17,110 going to talk with us we're gonna close 1923 01:37:22,710 --> 01:37:19,780 your case and I said no you can't I've 1924 01:37:25,380 --> 01:37:22,720 got to talk to somebody it's gonna drive 1925 01:37:28,620 --> 01:37:25,390 me up the wall I can't remember what 1926 01:37:31,260 --> 01:37:28,630 happened for all that time so he comes 1927 01:37:34,920 --> 01:37:31,270 right about the anniversary somewhere 1928 01:37:37,650 --> 01:37:34,930 around the first week in January and he 1929 01:37:41,060 --> 01:37:37,660 does the interview and he mails it off 1930 01:37:43,710 --> 01:37:41,070 to headquarters well I get a call from 1931 01:37:46,560 --> 01:37:43,720 the headquarters and this guy by the 1932 01:37:49,680 --> 01:37:46,570 name of James carry on and he's like 1933 01:37:52,530 --> 01:37:49,690 that case is too important for Steve to 1934 01:37:56,840 --> 01:37:52,540 handle I want to assign new people to 1935 01:38:00,840 --> 01:37:56,850 your case oh here comes this guy with a 1936 01:38:02,490 --> 01:38:00,850 homeland security background and he just 1937 01:38:04,740 --> 01:38:02,500 moves in and all of a sudden he's 1938 01:38:06,900 --> 01:38:04,750 appointed to the state director over 1939 01:38:10,050 --> 01:38:06,910 North Carolina and boom he's at my house 1940 01:38:13,290 --> 01:38:10,060 he's got my case now and it happened 1941 01:38:16,440 --> 01:38:13,300 that quick and when he comes here comes 1942 01:38:19,530 --> 01:38:16,450 James carry on here comes Richard here 1943 01:38:22,410 --> 01:38:19,540 comes all these people norm Gagnon from 1944 01:38:25,800 --> 01:38:22,420 Maryland so they're all there now 1945 01:38:31,800 --> 01:38:25,810 somewhere around the first second month 1946 01:38:34,080 --> 01:38:31,810 or so of Oh 8 and by June they never 1947 01:38:36,570 --> 01:38:34,090 quit coming for a week after a week 1948 01:38:40,620 --> 01:38:36,580 somebody was there 1 2 3 guys usually 1949 01:38:43,260 --> 01:38:40,630 just one after the Manion investigation 1950 01:38:46,470 --> 01:38:43,270 it was Richard and he spent six months 1951 01:38:49,350 --> 01:38:46,480 there and they just interrogated me like 1952 01:38:52,590 --> 01:38:49,360 I was on trial for a murder or something 1953 01:38:55,080 --> 01:38:52,600 and I would just tell them if you asked 1954 01:38:56,790 --> 01:38:55,090 me these same questions again I never 1955 01:38:58,890 --> 01:38:56,800 going to talk to you again I need to 1956 01:39:02,130 --> 01:38:58,900 know what's going on with me well once 1957 01:39:04,290 --> 01:39:02,140 we finish the the investigation we'll 1958 01:39:08,510 --> 01:39:04,300 tell you what we know and I kept begging 1959 01:39:12,270 --> 01:39:08,520 for answers they never gave them they 1960 01:39:15,810 --> 01:39:12,280 they insisted we do a UFO story 1961 01:39:18,960 --> 01:39:15,820 and till the world and so I agreed to it 1962 01:39:20,520 --> 01:39:18,970 the Discovery Channel UFOs over thinking 1963 01:39:21,870 --> 01:39:20,530 I'm gonna be vindicated from this 1964 01:39:25,380 --> 01:39:21,880 pasture of misery 1965 01:39:26,130 --> 01:39:25,390 sleeping in this room alone nobody to 1966 01:39:27,840 --> 01:39:26,140 talk to 1967 01:39:30,410 --> 01:39:27,850 I just knew the world wanted to know 1968 01:39:33,450 --> 01:39:30,420 well that was the biggest mistake ever 1969 01:39:36,060 --> 01:39:33,460 because they did their thing and they 1970 01:39:38,250 --> 01:39:36,070 didn't show the evidence I got big 1971 01:39:43,290 --> 01:39:38,260 circles burnt and my grass in the back 1972 01:39:46,680 --> 01:39:43,300 and they took soil analysis and Norma 1973 01:39:49,230 --> 01:39:46,690 tell you his information guts stuffed 1974 01:39:52,110 --> 01:39:49,240 away and all they did was bring in the 1975 01:39:55,860 --> 01:39:52,120 guy from the FBI to do a lot of Tekken 1976 01:39:59,670 --> 01:39:55,870 did 34 questions over two hours over and 1977 01:40:02,880 --> 01:39:59,680 over and over and he said that I was 1978 01:40:06,890 --> 01:40:02,890 being deceptive over seeing an entity 1979 01:40:10,470 --> 01:40:06,900 not about all the lights and stuff today 1980 01:40:13,710 --> 01:40:10,480 nearly ruined the family I mean it was 1981 01:40:16,500 --> 01:40:13,720 awful what happened immediately is the 1982 01:40:20,550 --> 01:40:16,510 teachers called my kids my daughter up 1983 01:40:22,140 --> 01:40:20,560 front in front of the class and they 1984 01:40:23,940 --> 01:40:22,150 would make fun of their you know these 1985 01:40:26,700 --> 01:40:23,950 students will make fun of their father 1986 01:40:29,070 --> 01:40:26,710 and can imagine the kids fighting for 1987 01:40:31,500 --> 01:40:29,080 their dad's credibility right and now 1988 01:40:33,330 --> 01:40:31,510 now they're seeing these lights right 1989 01:40:36,570 --> 01:40:33,340 over the first year they're now 1990 01:40:40,020 --> 01:40:36,580 experiencing it my wife is experiencing 1991 01:40:42,600 --> 01:40:40,030 shadow beings and mice children more 1992 01:40:44,730 --> 01:40:42,610 than one time many times - at the time 1993 01:40:49,140 --> 01:40:44,740 walking through our house just look like 1994 01:40:55,560 --> 01:40:49,150 ghosts walking through and they reported 1995 01:41:00,360 --> 01:40:55,570 that to me fun as well so I actually was 1996 01:41:05,130 --> 01:41:00,370 so upset that I went dark and what I 1997 01:41:08,760 --> 01:41:05,140 discovered was that these beings when 1998 01:41:12,830 --> 01:41:08,770 they took me I did a regression with 1999 01:41:15,390 --> 01:41:12,840 MUFON with a Harvard trained 2000 01:41:18,660 --> 01:41:15,400 psychiatrist by the name of dr. Michael 2001 01:41:21,840 --> 01:41:18,670 O'Connell we just loved this guy he was 2002 01:41:25,230 --> 01:41:21,850 so nice to us and we spent a lot of time 2003 01:41:26,169 --> 01:41:25,240 together and he made my headaches go 2004 01:41:27,669 --> 01:41:26,179 away right 2005 01:41:34,000 --> 01:41:27,679 immediately as soon as we did the 2006 01:41:37,870 --> 01:41:34,010 regression and so he passed away right 2007 01:41:40,359 --> 01:41:37,880 after that and now we're stuck with we 2008 01:41:42,459 --> 01:41:40,369 need answers we need help we ask them 2009 01:41:46,000 --> 01:41:42,469 can we find support can anybody come 2010 01:41:48,009 --> 01:41:46,010 help our children help me and they 2011 01:41:51,069 --> 01:41:48,019 walked away and said your case is closed 2012 01:41:54,370 --> 01:41:51,079 we don't have wait we don't you know 2013 01:41:56,379 --> 01:41:54,380 they just didn't help us left us I tried 2014 01:42:00,100 --> 01:41:56,389 to talk to the upperworld they thought I 2015 01:42:03,219 --> 01:42:00,110 was too much for him because I reported 2016 01:42:06,250 --> 01:42:03,229 these beings as angels they came and 2017 01:42:08,859 --> 01:42:06,260 bought a fire not a flying saucer I've 2018 01:42:12,310 --> 01:42:08,869 reported them as orbs or big ball of 2019 01:42:16,540 --> 01:42:12,320 fire I'm not sick anymore I don't 2020 01:42:19,959 --> 01:42:16,550 understand so they're after the 2021 01:42:23,589 --> 01:42:19,969 regression I knew that it was they 2022 01:42:30,219 --> 01:42:23,599 wanted me to tell what I knew and so I 2023 01:42:32,560 --> 01:42:30,229 had this agonizing implanted thing that 2024 01:42:34,509 --> 01:42:32,570 I had to tell this I've got to tell it 2025 01:42:36,879 --> 01:42:34,519 so I'm beginning to get it from 2026 01:42:39,939 --> 01:42:36,889 everywhere that I'm dealing with Satan 2027 01:42:43,330 --> 01:42:39,949 and so I started doubting myself right 2028 01:42:45,339 --> 01:42:43,340 so I actually went dark for for five 2029 01:42:49,060 --> 01:42:45,349 years I would never talk about it again 2030 01:42:53,799 --> 01:42:49,070 but during that time is of early oh 2031 01:42:54,189 --> 01:42:53,809 eight 2008 around I would say June or 2032 01:42:58,419 --> 01:42:54,199 July 2033 01:43:01,540 --> 01:42:58,429 right after MoveOn left Ryan caused me 2034 01:43:04,660 --> 01:43:01,550 dad there's a guy here in NASA he wants 2035 01:43:07,390 --> 01:43:04,670 to talk to you very big tall guy you 2036 01:43:10,120 --> 01:43:07,400 know Ryan's a young boy then so I said 2037 01:43:12,100 --> 01:43:10,130 alright son if he wants to see me bad 2038 01:43:14,370 --> 01:43:12,110 enough I'll be home in an hour just tell 2039 01:43:20,199 --> 01:43:14,380 him to stick around well he did and that 2040 01:43:23,620 --> 01:43:20,209 started a about an eleven and a half or 2041 01:43:28,120 --> 01:43:23,630 12 year relationship 2042 01:43:30,850 --> 01:43:28,130 somebody that we really he passed away 2043 01:43:35,140 --> 01:43:30,860 this past Thanksgiving dr. Hal Pavan 2044 01:43:37,779 --> 01:43:35,150 Myer he's one of the top ranking 2045 01:43:40,270 --> 01:43:37,789 astronomers in the world he mapped the 2046 01:43:45,760 --> 01:43:40,280 moon I learned a lot of secrets of 2047 01:43:48,190 --> 01:43:45,770 that stuff he'd shared and he has stuff 2048 01:43:51,370 --> 01:43:48,200 on on the moon sitting up there because 2049 01:43:52,240 --> 01:43:51,380 he's also a rocket scientist my children 2050 01:43:56,110 --> 01:43:52,250 loved him 2051 01:44:00,550 --> 01:43:56,120 he came religiously he loved my daughter 2052 01:44:02,290 --> 01:44:00,560 he went to her her recitals he'd come 2053 01:44:05,920 --> 01:44:02,300 all the way from Florida just to go to 2054 01:44:11,500 --> 01:44:05,930 her graduations and birthday parties so 2055 01:44:14,440 --> 01:44:11,510 I would say that it was just an honor to 2056 01:44:17,700 --> 01:44:14,450 know this man and he helped this family 2057 01:44:22,240 --> 01:44:17,710 he went to my mother and dad told him to 2058 01:44:23,080 --> 01:44:22,250 support me that if they only knew I was 2059 01:44:26,310 --> 01:44:23,090 telling the truth 2060 01:44:31,230 --> 01:44:26,320 well did that help you did that help you 2061 01:44:33,970 --> 01:44:31,240 with with dealing with this knowing that 2062 01:44:37,810 --> 01:44:33,980 here a scientist comes along from NASA 2063 01:44:41,710 --> 01:44:37,820 to help ground you to let you know that 2064 01:44:44,080 --> 01:44:41,720 you know that this stuff could be very 2065 01:44:46,300 --> 01:44:44,090 very real he doesn't know you from Adam 2066 01:44:49,990 --> 01:44:46,310 Wright or the experience or what you saw 2067 01:44:53,260 --> 01:44:50,000 but that these types of experience are 2068 01:44:55,990 --> 01:44:53,270 based in something that is real and is 2069 01:45:01,420 --> 01:44:56,000 physical right and that helped you deal 2070 01:45:04,000 --> 01:45:01,430 through all of this well yeah and and I 2071 01:45:08,020 --> 01:45:04,010 have to give credit to the US government 2072 01:45:09,550 --> 01:45:08,030 because there and I can't say a whole 2073 01:45:11,620 --> 01:45:09,560 lot there but there are some scientists 2074 01:45:16,660 --> 01:45:11,630 that we've gotten to know and are very 2075 01:45:20,260 --> 01:45:16,670 fond of people like Jim semi van he's in 2076 01:45:21,970 --> 01:45:20,270 the CIA we we think the world of him our 2077 01:45:25,810 --> 01:45:21,980 whole family does he's a family friend 2078 01:45:29,560 --> 01:45:25,820 having his beautiful wife Deb day it was 2079 01:45:32,890 --> 01:45:29,570 Jim that helped put my middle son Jeremy 2080 01:45:36,130 --> 01:45:32,900 and my relationship back together 2081 01:45:38,800 --> 01:45:36,140 because he was you know the kids were 2082 01:45:42,910 --> 01:45:38,810 embarrassed he was a lot there at a time 2083 01:45:46,540 --> 01:45:42,920 he's in college and you know here's even 2084 01:45:49,600 --> 01:45:46,550 though he's seeing this stuff it was 2085 01:45:52,030 --> 01:45:49,610 these people that helped us the most not 2086 01:45:54,040 --> 01:45:52,040 the UFO world they didn't want to hear 2087 01:45:58,089 --> 01:45:54,050 they wanted to talk about 2088 01:46:01,899 --> 01:45:58,099 Zeta Reticulans and Pleiadians and star 2089 01:46:03,609 --> 01:46:01,909 cruisers and people fighting reptilians 2090 01:46:06,640 --> 01:46:03,619 on Mars that's all I could think about 2091 01:46:09,100 --> 01:46:06,650 well that didn't jive with what happened 2092 01:46:15,819 --> 01:46:09,110 to me and I'm still having this to go on 2093 01:46:18,010 --> 01:46:15,829 right so five years goes by and I'm not 2094 01:46:20,169 --> 01:46:18,020 telling nobody I'm just hanging out with 2095 01:46:22,209 --> 01:46:20,179 these scientists that come into our 2096 01:46:24,729 --> 01:46:22,219 lives and there was more than one I 2097 01:46:27,700 --> 01:46:24,739 can't say these others but all these 2098 01:46:29,939 --> 01:46:27,710 people are surrounded us now and these 2099 01:46:32,830 --> 01:46:29,949 people are having experiences with me 2100 01:46:35,979 --> 01:46:32,840 dr. Paiva Meir sit right there in a 2101 01:46:38,020 --> 01:46:35,989 chair in the backyard and it had his 2102 01:46:41,229 --> 01:46:38,030 gallbladder removed and was very sick so 2103 01:46:42,790 --> 01:46:41,239 I which is he and I and I've we sit in 2104 01:46:44,830 --> 01:46:42,800 the last year and I went in and got a 2105 01:46:49,030 --> 01:46:44,840 big blanket wrapped him up and we talked 2106 01:46:50,950 --> 01:46:49,040 about the whole cosmos I mean I just got 2107 01:46:53,229 --> 01:46:50,960 to meet the most brilliant people and 2108 01:46:58,390 --> 01:46:53,239 share a lot of experiences with them and 2109 01:47:00,580 --> 01:46:58,400 to this day we still do in fact if we 2110 01:47:02,620 --> 01:47:00,590 had time to talk about it there I could 2111 01:47:06,760 --> 01:47:02,630 get into a lot of different folks that 2112 01:47:10,899 --> 01:47:06,770 have come here we have yeah we have 2113 01:47:13,089 --> 01:47:10,909 about four minutes before the break when 2114 01:47:16,689 --> 01:47:13,099 we come back after the break Chris I 2115 01:47:19,270 --> 01:47:16,699 want to talk about the tree in the 2116 01:47:22,810 --> 01:47:19,280 backyard that that right there is a is a 2117 01:47:28,649 --> 01:47:22,820 three hour show but I want to save that 2118 01:47:31,060 --> 01:47:28,659 for the last segment when when we say 2119 01:47:33,040 --> 01:47:31,070 three-letter agencies and their 2120 01:47:35,500 --> 01:47:33,050 involvement though I do want you to 2121 01:47:40,180 --> 01:47:35,510 comment on that you mentioned NASA you 2122 01:47:43,299 --> 01:47:40,190 mentioned semi van which Jim is I'm 2123 01:47:46,720 --> 01:47:43,309 assuming is the CIA element here who 2124 01:47:52,209 --> 01:47:46,730 else from the agencies visited you or 2125 01:47:56,589 --> 01:47:52,219 not what types of agencies well just 2126 01:48:00,910 --> 01:47:56,599 aerospace industry okay but and I can't 2127 01:48:03,660 --> 01:48:00,920 say who they're I can say that one 2128 01:48:06,490 --> 01:48:03,670 person that I really think the world of 2129 01:48:07,790 --> 01:48:06,500 if you've ever heard of dr. Diana 2130 01:48:11,210 --> 01:48:07,800 pisanka and her 2131 01:48:14,870 --> 01:48:11,220 American cosmic the character in there 2132 01:48:18,560 --> 01:48:14,880 Tyler I introduced him to Diana so 2133 01:48:20,960 --> 01:48:18,570 there's been a lot of stuff I can't 2134 01:48:23,780 --> 01:48:20,970 share at all but I can make you know 2135 01:48:27,620 --> 01:48:23,790 little links here but that's her story 2136 01:48:31,580 --> 01:48:27,630 to tell I won't ever go there but very 2137 01:48:36,440 --> 01:48:31,590 prominent scientists that all are in and 2138 01:48:38,840 --> 01:48:36,450 the same idea is as you and I to find 2139 01:48:45,890 --> 01:48:38,850 out what it is and to use anything to 2140 01:48:49,040 --> 01:48:45,900 help the sick you know that's that's I 2141 01:48:53,960 --> 01:48:49,050 just have to can't say much there but 2142 01:48:57,050 --> 01:48:53,970 there's basically aerospace industry 2143 01:48:59,510 --> 01:48:57,060 people are very interested all of us 2144 01:49:02,380 --> 01:48:59,520 it's one of the most biggest top-secret 2145 01:49:06,440 --> 01:49:02,390 things in the world or has been and 2146 01:49:08,480 --> 01:49:06,450 trust me they want to know because I 2147 01:49:10,250 --> 01:49:08,490 asked them many times asked why you here 2148 01:49:14,030 --> 01:49:10,260 why you why do you want to talk to me 2149 01:49:17,060 --> 01:49:14,040 well we want to know what it is we want 2150 01:49:19,580 --> 01:49:17,070 to find out apparently it likes you it 2151 01:49:22,730 --> 01:49:19,590 don't come and talk with us so we want 2152 01:49:25,700 --> 01:49:22,740 to know and so that's led me down a road 2153 01:49:27,800 --> 01:49:25,710 of being you know here in the UFO world 2154 01:49:30,200 --> 01:49:27,810 saying they got eight or nine machines 2155 01:49:32,540 --> 01:49:30,210 locked up at area 51 and they fly them 2156 01:49:36,440 --> 01:49:32,550 all over the cosmos well I'm being asked 2157 01:49:40,730 --> 01:49:36,450 how does electrons move you know I'm 2158 01:49:45,470 --> 01:49:40,740 being asked you know it just just trust 2159 01:49:50,210 --> 01:49:45,480 me right right and really quick before 2160 01:49:55,580 --> 01:49:50,220 the break Chris the the first little guy 2161 01:49:57,530 --> 01:49:55,590 right the the four-foot guy and the 2162 01:50:00,980 --> 01:49:57,540 second one that approached your window 2163 01:50:05,540 --> 01:50:00,990 that was around eight foot tall were 2164 01:50:08,260 --> 01:50:05,550 they were they the same you know just 2165 01:50:12,760 --> 01:50:08,270 different sizes or are we talking about 2166 01:50:16,610 --> 01:50:12,770 two different species here we're talking 2167 01:50:18,760 --> 01:50:16,620 about two different entities the the 2168 01:50:21,260 --> 01:50:18,770 little ones were aid there it was 2169 01:50:24,410 --> 01:50:21,270 mechanical and 2170 01:50:27,140 --> 01:50:24,420 or technology they were glowing we had 2171 01:50:30,170 --> 01:50:27,150 the triangle in the chest and I was very 2172 01:50:32,980 --> 01:50:30,180 close to that so was Chris jr. for a 2173 01:50:38,420 --> 01:50:32,990 long time in mourning almost two hours 2174 01:50:41,060 --> 01:50:38,430 the tall being I saw for a short second 2175 01:50:44,090 --> 01:50:41,070 and and then in the regression 2176 01:50:47,840 --> 01:50:44,100 it was those beings that were that 2177 01:50:52,070 --> 01:50:47,850 appeared in my regression on board that 2178 01:50:55,910 --> 01:50:52,080 egg shaped craft and and here's the 2179 01:50:59,020 --> 01:50:55,920 funny thing when they did the television 2180 01:51:02,450 --> 01:50:59,030 show they they put my I did the 2181 01:51:04,880 --> 01:51:02,460 regression live on television with the 2182 01:51:09,230 --> 01:51:04,890 Discovery Channel well they tried to 2183 01:51:12,830 --> 01:51:09,240 make it make me look stupid because of 2184 01:51:15,680 --> 01:51:12,840 an hour and a half and regression the 2185 01:51:17,840 --> 01:51:15,690 only thing they put on there was me 2186 01:51:20,810 --> 01:51:17,850 describing these little beings that I 2187 01:51:24,530 --> 01:51:20,820 saw in the backyard this little bean and 2188 01:51:26,300 --> 01:51:24,540 they said well who are these little 2189 01:51:28,790 --> 01:51:26,310 beings and really the same question you 2190 01:51:31,010 --> 01:51:28,800 just asked in relation to the big one I 2191 01:51:33,140 --> 01:51:31,020 said where they're their children they 2192 01:51:35,180 --> 01:51:33,150 let them out to play and that's what 2193 01:51:37,220 --> 01:51:35,190 came out of the regression and everybody 2194 01:51:39,500 --> 01:51:37,230 got a great big laugh but when this guy 2195 01:51:41,810 --> 01:51:39,510 came from Florida knocking on my door 2196 01:51:43,970 --> 01:51:41,820 said can we talk about those little 2197 01:51:46,820 --> 01:51:43,980 children with the triangle on their 2198 01:51:49,850 --> 01:51:46,830 chest so let me tell you there's a big 2199 01:51:51,890 --> 01:51:49,860 thing about this triangle I can't say a 2200 01:51:55,370 --> 01:51:51,900 whole lot there but it's on the dollar 2201 01:51:58,100 --> 01:51:55,380 bill and it's out in Egypt and there's 2202 01:52:00,910 --> 01:51:58,110 there's a lot more known about that then 2203 01:52:04,130 --> 01:52:00,920 we would ever imagine 2204 01:52:06,130 --> 01:52:04,140 and with that Chris I got to take a 2205 01:52:11,120 --> 01:52:06,140 break right here so let's do that and 2206 01:52:14,630 --> 01:52:11,130 we'll come straight back I want to get 2207 01:52:16,880 --> 01:52:14,640 into the burning tree and we will do 2208 01:52:18,020 --> 01:52:16,890 that after the break and maybe I get 2209 01:52:19,550 --> 01:52:18,030 some more information about this 2210 01:52:22,790 --> 01:52:19,560 triangle to out of Chris we'll see how 2211 01:52:25,190 --> 01:52:22,800 that goes this is black he rose to be 2212 01:52:26,830 --> 01:52:25,200 Church I guess tonight Chris Bledsoe 2213 01:52:29,270 --> 01:52:26,840 Chris thank you for this conversation 2214 01:52:30,500 --> 01:52:29,280 absolutely amazing twitter is on fire 2215 01:52:32,929 --> 01:52:30,510 thank you everybody 2216 01:52:46,710 --> 01:52:32,939 we'll be back with overtime with Chris 2217 01:52:49,870 --> 01:52:48,040 welcome back 2218 01:52:53,770 --> 01:52:49,880 fade to black I am your host of a church 2219 01:52:56,470 --> 01:52:53,780 over time with Chris Bledsoe tomorrow 2220 01:52:59,580 --> 01:52:56,480 night Richard Dolan Thursday night Jason 2221 01:53:03,330 --> 01:52:59,590 quit quit Spira see part two tonight 2222 01:53:05,350 --> 01:53:03,340 Chris Bledsoe and Chris thank you 2223 01:53:09,120 --> 01:53:05,360 something get straight to it thank you 2224 01:53:12,970 --> 01:53:09,130 for sharing all of that there is so many 2225 01:53:14,830 --> 01:53:12,980 details that we have left out tonight 2226 01:53:17,590 --> 01:53:14,840 there's so much more to the story just 2227 01:53:21,070 --> 01:53:17,600 it doesn't start and stop with what 2228 01:53:22,600 --> 01:53:21,080 we've covered tonight and of course I'm 2229 01:53:24,220 --> 01:53:22,610 inviting you back onto the show and 2230 01:53:27,430 --> 01:53:24,230 we'll get you back on as soon as we can 2231 01:53:32,350 --> 01:53:27,440 maybe next week and and and we will 2232 01:53:33,660 --> 01:53:32,360 continue this but I've mentioned a few 2233 01:53:42,250 --> 01:53:33,670 times tonight 2234 01:53:45,370 --> 01:53:42,260 the burning tree now this is this the 2235 01:53:47,800 --> 01:53:45,380 the videos okay I need to explain to 2236 01:53:51,250 --> 01:53:47,810 everybody why I sound so perplexed I 2237 01:53:54,370 --> 01:53:51,260 don't know what I'm seeing in this video 2238 01:53:57,310 --> 01:53:54,380 oh I know what I'm seeing I'm seeing a 2239 01:54:01,570 --> 01:53:57,320 tree that's burning internally but it 2240 01:54:03,580 --> 01:54:01,580 doesn't make any sense and this isn't 2241 01:54:05,530 --> 01:54:03,590 something that just stopped and started 2242 01:54:10,680 --> 01:54:05,540 in and and went out for a couple of 2243 01:54:12,640 --> 01:54:10,690 minutes this was a tremendous family 2244 01:54:15,280 --> 01:54:12,650 experience that went on in your backyard 2245 01:54:17,620 --> 01:54:15,290 and it's all caught on videotape a 2246 01:54:23,800 --> 01:54:17,630 couple of videos that your son that your 2247 01:54:27,160 --> 01:54:23,810 son shot it's not what it appears to be 2248 01:54:30,640 --> 01:54:27,170 though in that it's not lighter fluid on 2249 01:54:33,900 --> 01:54:30,650 a tree that's not what we're talking 2250 01:54:41,170 --> 01:54:33,910 about here there's something else 2251 01:54:43,710 --> 01:54:41,180 happening so to simplify things let's go 2252 01:54:51,550 --> 01:54:43,720 back to the first day that this tree 2253 01:54:54,960 --> 01:54:51,560 started to say hello I'm here okay so to 2254 01:54:59,790 --> 01:54:54,970 put it in context 2255 01:55:03,420 --> 01:54:59,800 let's back up to 2012 this was the tree 2256 01:55:07,290 --> 01:55:03,430 caught fire it was like October the 13th 2257 01:55:09,570 --> 01:55:07,300 of 2012 I think that was the date or the 2258 01:55:12,060 --> 01:55:09,580 12th right in there it's time-stamped on 2259 01:55:15,750 --> 01:55:12,070 the video but it was it was early 2260 01:55:19,200 --> 01:55:15,760 October when it when it happened but at 2261 01:55:21,840 --> 01:55:19,210 the beginning of 2012 and I can't spend 2262 01:55:25,950 --> 01:55:21,850 much time on this I will maybe do that 2263 01:55:30,630 --> 01:55:25,960 at another show but the reason for the 2264 01:55:34,710 --> 01:55:30,640 tree there's a reason for it and Easter 2265 01:55:39,270 --> 01:55:34,720 of 2012 is when you hear the story about 2266 01:55:41,640 --> 01:55:39,280 this beautiful lady I talk about I had 2267 01:55:44,610 --> 01:55:41,650 an experience with a lady a glowing 2268 01:55:47,730 --> 01:55:44,620 white lady that appeared in my backyard 2269 01:55:50,760 --> 01:55:47,740 in the middle of the night and it told 2270 01:55:53,130 --> 01:55:50,770 me you must tell your story she did she 2271 01:55:55,500 --> 01:55:53,140 said this is your burden you must bear 2272 01:55:58,680 --> 01:55:55,510 and I knew what it meant I knew when she 2273 01:56:00,930 --> 01:55:58,690 told me that because up for five years I 2274 01:56:02,910 --> 01:56:00,940 quit talking about it I went dark and 2275 01:56:05,040 --> 01:56:02,920 everybody would call me we want you just 2276 01:56:07,500 --> 01:56:05,050 tell the story at this event or that 2277 01:56:11,490 --> 01:56:07,510 event and I said no thinking it was 2278 01:56:13,770 --> 01:56:11,500 always no because of all the I just 2279 01:56:17,210 --> 01:56:13,780 wanted it to go away in the public 2280 01:56:20,850 --> 01:56:17,220 because we had friends you know from 2281 01:56:23,190 --> 01:56:20,860 aerospace industry and friends from 2282 01:56:25,620 --> 01:56:23,200 everywhere scientists that wanted to 2283 01:56:27,930 --> 01:56:25,630 study and the deal was stay away from 2284 01:56:30,240 --> 01:56:27,940 the UFO world stay away from the public 2285 01:56:33,000 --> 01:56:30,250 we want to work with you see what's 2286 01:56:35,310 --> 01:56:33,010 going on and so I just was so happy to 2287 01:56:37,650 --> 01:56:35,320 be out of the public I didn't ever want 2288 01:56:40,430 --> 01:56:37,660 to speak about it again these people 2289 01:56:43,860 --> 01:56:40,440 were helping my children understand and 2290 01:56:46,410 --> 01:56:43,870 cope with school and made us feel 2291 01:56:51,570 --> 01:56:46,420 special and I mean I just want to thank 2292 01:56:54,990 --> 01:56:51,580 these folks and so along about Easter 2293 01:56:58,470 --> 01:56:55,000 that that night I had this experience 2294 01:57:00,630 --> 01:56:58,480 and she said you know why I'm here this 2295 01:57:03,360 --> 01:57:00,640 is your burden you must bear and that 2296 01:57:06,750 --> 01:57:03,370 meant that I was told from the beginning 2297 01:57:09,510 --> 01:57:06,760 I had to tell this story what I knew how 2298 01:57:12,050 --> 01:57:09,520 I understood it what happened and that's 2299 01:57:16,320 --> 01:57:12,060 all they ever wanted me to tell it so 2300 01:57:18,660 --> 01:57:16,330 after she came I knew that was it I had 2301 01:57:21,150 --> 01:57:18,670 to tell and I was really willing to tell 2302 01:57:25,680 --> 01:57:21,160 it but what I didn't know is dr. Pugh 2303 01:57:29,310 --> 01:57:25,690 salka which is a very smart individual 2304 01:57:33,390 --> 01:57:29,320 I'm telling you she's she's a Oh genius 2305 01:57:37,500 --> 01:57:33,400 I would say we just think a lot of her 2306 01:57:40,770 --> 01:57:37,510 she she came she had approached MOOC on 2307 01:57:46,910 --> 01:57:40,780 early on because in her religious 2308 01:57:50,910 --> 01:57:46,920 studies she's very very well known and 2309 01:57:54,420 --> 01:57:50,920 people within the Vatican she went to 2310 01:57:54,660 --> 01:57:54,430 Berkeley she just you just study who she 2311 01:57:57,660 --> 01:57:54,670 is 2312 01:58:01,680 --> 01:57:57,670 I mean she's she was like somebody that 2313 01:58:03,930 --> 01:58:01,690 could help me with answers but she was 2314 01:58:06,210 --> 01:58:03,940 stunned she approached MUFON and said I 2315 01:58:09,120 --> 01:58:06,220 want to I want to talk to people that 2316 01:58:10,440 --> 01:58:09,130 reported angelic encounters they said 2317 01:58:12,990 --> 01:58:10,450 well there's a guy right down the street 2318 01:58:15,840 --> 01:58:13,000 from you a couple of hours away hour and 2319 01:58:20,490 --> 01:58:15,850 a half away that that so they lined it 2320 01:58:22,560 --> 01:58:20,500 up they called me and said we have this 2321 01:58:28,890 --> 01:58:22,570 person we want you to meet would you be 2322 01:58:32,220 --> 01:58:28,900 willing to talk and in two weeks I was I 2323 01:58:35,340 --> 01:58:32,230 was at a conference after the lady come 2324 01:58:38,730 --> 01:58:35,350 I'm in six hours away I drove six hours 2325 01:58:43,920 --> 01:58:38,740 with my youngest son Ryan to meet this 2326 01:58:47,670 --> 01:58:43,930 professor and to tell the story and so I 2327 01:58:49,140 --> 01:58:47,680 started telling it about the lady that's 2328 01:58:51,090 --> 01:58:49,150 all I wanted to talk about because he 2329 01:58:52,920 --> 01:58:51,100 had just happened two weeks before I 2330 01:58:54,960 --> 01:58:52,930 would have never met her 2331 01:58:58,050 --> 01:58:54,970 if it hadn't have been for this 2332 01:59:02,760 --> 01:58:58,060 encounter with this lady she arranged it 2333 01:59:04,920 --> 01:59:02,770 so let's fast forward to June after I 2334 01:59:07,290 --> 01:59:04,930 didn't even meet her really that night I 2335 01:59:10,170 --> 01:59:07,300 just met her husband and we talked very 2336 01:59:13,700 --> 01:59:10,180 nice and she stayed away arm's length 2337 01:59:17,070 --> 01:59:13,710 away never spoke to me other than an odd 2338 01:59:19,080 --> 01:59:17,080 so long about June July get a call from 2339 01:59:19,919 --> 01:59:19,090 the phone again when you come speak or 2340 01:59:22,169 --> 01:59:19,929 come to one 2341 01:59:24,030 --> 01:59:22,179 we don't want you to speak but dr. 2342 01:59:26,820 --> 01:59:24,040 Priscilla is gonna be there we want you 2343 01:59:30,510 --> 01:59:26,830 to she wants to spend a few minutes with 2344 01:59:32,070 --> 01:59:30,520 you so I drove down Ryan and I again we 2345 01:59:34,290 --> 01:59:32,080 go to dinner that evening the whole 2346 01:59:36,090 --> 01:59:34,300 group and then we go out on the beach 2347 01:59:39,120 --> 01:59:36,100 that night and Diana and I moved down 2348 01:59:40,919 --> 01:59:39,130 the beach about 20 or 30 yards from the 2349 01:59:48,450 --> 01:59:40,929 group they were sky watching and we 2350 01:59:51,450 --> 01:59:48,460 began to talk and she had she just had a 2351 01:59:57,689 --> 01:59:51,460 big experience in her life during that 2352 02:00:00,090 --> 01:59:57,699 time that that that made her be where 2353 02:00:00,979 --> 02:00:00,100 she is today you're talking about in a 2354 02:00:07,050 --> 02:00:00,989 bazooka 2355 02:00:08,270 --> 02:00:07,060 yes okay gotcha so here comes the 2356 02:00:10,919 --> 02:00:08,280 October 2357 02:00:13,439 --> 02:00:10,929 Diana cause we've been talking a little 2358 02:00:14,820 --> 02:00:13,449 bit from we never talked from the first 2359 02:00:16,919 --> 02:00:14,830 time I met her till June or July and 2360 02:00:19,439 --> 02:00:16,929 then we talked some from there too 2361 02:00:21,570 --> 02:00:19,449 we were like very good study partners 2362 02:00:26,520 --> 02:00:21,580 now we're getting into the religious 2363 02:00:29,700 --> 02:00:26,530 aspect so she calls me and says Chris 2364 02:00:34,080 --> 02:00:29,710 I'm here moment inand I'm working on a 2365 02:00:37,080 --> 02:00:34,090 television project a movie called the 2366 02:00:41,010 --> 02:00:37,090 conjuring a very prominent horror show 2367 02:00:43,290 --> 02:00:41,020 she said I'm just being led to to 2368 02:00:47,040 --> 02:00:43,300 introduce you to these guys they want to 2369 02:00:49,979 --> 02:00:47,050 meet you and I'm like Diana it would 2370 02:00:52,080 --> 02:00:49,989 take a miracle for me to meet anybody in 2371 02:00:54,120 --> 02:00:52,090 the television industry just three and a 2372 02:00:57,149 --> 02:00:54,130 half years ago my life was nearly 2373 02:00:59,100 --> 02:00:57,159 destroyed because I went public and I'd 2374 02:01:02,220 --> 02:00:59,110 promised myself I'd never do that again 2375 02:01:05,340 --> 02:01:02,230 I said tell you what I'm a I'm a asked 2376 02:01:07,350 --> 02:01:05,350 for a sign because this lady told me she 2377 02:01:12,390 --> 02:01:07,360 would always be there and she would help 2378 02:01:13,169 --> 02:01:12,400 me to tell the world to tell my 2379 02:01:18,030 --> 02:01:13,179 experience 2380 02:01:20,130 --> 02:01:18,040 she said I'll guide you so come this was 2381 02:01:23,090 --> 02:01:20,140 like on a Monday when she calls me long 2382 02:01:25,320 --> 02:01:23,100 about Thursday she caused me again 2383 02:01:28,610 --> 02:01:25,330 caught me a couple times that wait but 2384 02:01:31,470 --> 02:01:28,620 she wrote me and she said cause she said 2385 02:01:33,300 --> 02:01:31,480 have you gotten a sign yet I said no 2386 02:01:35,520 --> 02:01:33,310 don't go to sign I'm 2387 02:01:36,960 --> 02:01:35,530 sorry she said these guys are leaving 2388 02:01:39,750 --> 02:01:36,970 Saturday they're going back to 2389 02:01:41,430 --> 02:01:39,760 California and I really wanted you to 2390 02:01:45,540 --> 02:01:41,440 meet them I said I'm sorry but I haven't 2391 02:01:47,730 --> 02:01:45,550 had a son so on Thursday night I walk 2392 02:01:49,860 --> 02:01:47,740 out the back door this is when I quit 2393 02:01:55,470 --> 02:01:49,870 smoking by the way it's the thirteenth 2394 02:01:57,120 --> 02:01:55,480 of October that brings to me the day my 2395 02:01:59,670 --> 02:01:57,130 wife and I were watching television in 2396 02:02:02,220 --> 02:01:59,680 my study and I said I'm gonna go out and 2397 02:02:03,600 --> 02:02:02,230 smoke soft pop pause the television 2398 02:02:06,680 --> 02:02:03,610 walked out the back door had been 2399 02:02:10,170 --> 02:02:06,690 raining for two days measured rainfall 2400 02:02:14,280 --> 02:02:10,180 an inch or more rain it was kind of 2401 02:02:16,620 --> 02:02:14,290 grass was wet I'm out smoking just off 2402 02:02:18,840 --> 02:02:16,630 the patio and here she comes out behind 2403 02:02:21,120 --> 02:02:18,850 me and when she looks through the back 2404 02:02:23,250 --> 02:02:21,130 door she hasn't even opened it yet these 2405 02:02:25,680 --> 02:02:23,260 sparks by the hundred yards of 2406 02:02:28,500 --> 02:02:25,690 seventy-five yards up behind our house 2407 02:02:31,590 --> 02:02:28,510 back at the back of the property we see 2408 02:02:32,580 --> 02:02:31,600 sparks come off this tree and it was 2409 02:02:35,400 --> 02:02:32,590 really weird-looking 2410 02:02:37,140 --> 02:02:35,410 little red sparks just went in different 2411 02:02:39,720 --> 02:02:37,150 directions and she said open the door 2412 02:02:43,200 --> 02:02:39,730 she said what in the world is going on 2413 02:02:45,600 --> 02:02:43,210 with a tress but I have no idea so it 2414 02:02:48,030 --> 02:02:45,610 did it once or twice more and then all 2415 02:02:49,560 --> 02:02:48,040 of a sudden right in front of she and I 2416 02:02:52,860 --> 02:02:49,570 have rubbed it into flames 2417 02:02:54,660 --> 02:02:52,870 10 12 feet high it was just bursted out 2418 02:02:57,780 --> 02:02:54,670 of the side of this tree and burning 2419 02:03:00,240 --> 02:02:57,790 that high in the air well she freaks out 2420 02:03:02,700 --> 02:03:00,250 you can hear a voice in the video Ryan 2421 02:03:06,270 --> 02:03:02,710 takes the video my mom and dad and 2422 02:03:09,030 --> 02:03:06,280 everybody sees it I drag a hose way back 2423 02:03:13,230 --> 02:03:09,040 there at a garden near the area so we 2424 02:03:15,270 --> 02:03:13,240 had a [\h__\h] it out so I'd bring her a 2425 02:03:18,030 --> 02:03:15,280 hose pipe it she personally puts this 2426 02:03:19,890 --> 02:03:18,040 thing out sticks the hose up in the 2427 02:03:23,790 --> 02:03:19,900 trees burned a hole in the side of it 2428 02:03:27,090 --> 02:03:23,800 it's really hot and puts it out Ryan 2429 02:03:29,310 --> 02:03:27,100 took video of it and putting it out this 2430 02:03:31,800 --> 02:03:29,320 was at nine o'clock twelve o'clock that 2431 02:03:35,670 --> 02:03:31,810 night everybody was so messed up about 2432 02:03:37,470 --> 02:03:35,680 this thing she couldn't sleep so 12 2433 02:03:39,330 --> 02:03:37,480 o'clock she looks out the back door we 2434 02:03:42,650 --> 02:03:39,340 all do now this thing's burning again 2435 02:03:45,660 --> 02:03:42,660 it's erupted itself back in the plane so 2436 02:03:46,830 --> 02:03:45,670 same process she goes out and puts it 2437 02:03:48,689 --> 02:03:46,840 out again 2438 02:03:52,350 --> 02:03:48,699 three o'clock in the morning it catches 2439 02:03:54,300 --> 02:03:52,360 on fire the third time well anyhow the 2440 02:03:56,609 --> 02:03:54,310 first time it caught a fire nine o'clock 2441 02:03:58,620 --> 02:03:56,619 that night as it's burning I texted I 2442 02:04:07,700 --> 02:03:58,630 and I said I got a sign I'll see you in 2443 02:04:10,770 --> 02:04:07,710 the morning so that's a sign Chris and 2444 02:04:14,430 --> 02:04:10,780 you're glossing over this just a bit 2445 02:04:17,370 --> 02:04:14,440 okay and and I respect that but let me 2446 02:04:21,510 --> 02:04:17,380 back up here the impact that I got from 2447 02:04:24,629 --> 02:04:21,520 watching this video and and when Chris 2448 02:04:29,129 --> 02:04:24,639 shot you couldn't see clearly in the 2449 02:04:32,390 --> 02:04:29,139 video and I don't think I misinterpreted 2450 02:04:37,800 --> 02:04:32,400 this it the flames were coming from 2451 02:04:43,140 --> 02:04:37,810 inside of the the tree it wasn't on the 2452 02:04:46,260 --> 02:04:43,150 site this was self combusting it's like 2453 02:04:48,810 --> 02:04:46,270 spontaneous tree combustion that is 2454 02:04:51,060 --> 02:04:48,820 happening from inside of the tree and 2455 02:04:53,700 --> 02:04:51,070 when you see something like that how 2456 02:04:55,410 --> 02:04:53,710 purple eyes are hosing it down and 2457 02:04:57,570 --> 02:04:55,420 you're putting it out it's just rain for 2458 02:05:01,410 --> 02:04:57,580 a couple of days everything is nothing 2459 02:05:03,089 --> 02:05:01,420 catches on fire in in nature when things 2460 02:05:08,120 --> 02:05:03,099 are going down like this but this tree 2461 02:05:10,560 --> 02:05:08,130 is has decided to self combust 2462 02:05:11,459 --> 02:05:10,570 internally what's going through your 2463 02:05:13,500 --> 02:05:11,469 mind 2464 02:05:15,629 --> 02:05:13,510 I love Chris's reaction on the video by 2465 02:05:18,030 --> 02:05:15,639 the way I think his that his reaction 2466 02:05:21,560 --> 02:05:18,040 was pretty honest what's going through 2467 02:05:27,419 --> 02:05:21,570 your mind because this is impossible 2468 02:05:29,490 --> 02:05:27,429 right well that changed well it was kind 2469 02:05:32,910 --> 02:05:29,500 of I didn't know what to think I just 2470 02:05:35,669 --> 02:05:32,920 knew it was a sign because the lady told 2471 02:05:37,709 --> 02:05:35,679 me I will help you if you'll do this 2472 02:05:41,399 --> 02:05:37,719 I'll help you share with the world well 2473 02:05:44,280 --> 02:05:41,409 let me tell you from the time she left 2474 02:05:47,040 --> 02:05:44,290 from that point on is when I started 2475 02:05:48,959 --> 02:05:47,050 taking all these videos for the first 2476 02:05:51,300 --> 02:05:48,969 five years this stuff would be in my 2477 02:05:53,669 --> 02:05:51,310 house or over top the kids were seeing 2478 02:05:56,399 --> 02:05:53,679 it all of us but as soon as I pull out a 2479 02:05:59,010 --> 02:05:56,409 telephone or anything shoot a picture 2480 02:06:00,479 --> 02:05:59,020 where that would disappear one time at 2481 02:06:04,260 --> 02:06:00,489 Friday camera 2482 02:06:07,100 --> 02:06:04,270 but after that 2012 event is when I 2483 02:06:11,010 --> 02:06:07,110 started getting all this these videos 2484 02:06:15,720 --> 02:06:11,020 and these and able to share it with 2485 02:06:19,470 --> 02:06:15,730 people I mean as as little as last month 2486 02:06:21,420 --> 02:06:19,480 a friend of mine he's become a very good 2487 02:06:24,300 --> 02:06:21,430 friend now is dr. Bob McGuire from 2488 02:06:26,700 --> 02:06:24,310 Virginia Tech called me or wrote me at 2489 02:06:29,270 --> 02:06:26,710 Thanksgiving and said cannot come see 2490 02:06:33,750 --> 02:06:29,280 I'd like to meet you my wife and I 2491 02:06:35,910 --> 02:06:33,760 talked about doing some aerial tracking 2492 02:06:37,860 --> 02:06:35,920 see if we can catch some of it I said 2493 02:06:40,860 --> 02:06:37,870 sure we're talking about bombers from 2494 02:06:43,140 --> 02:06:40,870 the from the Hume Center at Virginia 2495 02:06:49,170 --> 02:06:43,150 okay all right now you're in the big 2496 02:06:51,240 --> 02:06:49,180 leagues he comes out right he writes me 2497 02:06:54,050 --> 02:06:51,250 at Thanksgiving he comes out in January 2498 02:06:57,690 --> 02:06:54,060 for a second week of January I think and 2499 02:06:59,720 --> 02:06:57,700 it was here on Friday it was he just got 2500 02:07:03,479 --> 02:06:59,730 here on Friday so we spent a lot of time 2501 02:07:05,280 --> 02:07:03,489 chatting and even his wife we all got to 2502 02:07:07,140 --> 02:07:05,290 meet each other and it was cloudy and 2503 02:07:10,890 --> 02:07:07,150 rainy and then Saturday at rain and 2504 02:07:13,860 --> 02:07:10,900 Saturday night it rained and we're just 2505 02:07:16,830 --> 02:07:13,870 having a good time of conversation with 2506 02:07:18,930 --> 02:07:16,840 Sunday night it started clearing up and 2507 02:07:24,120 --> 02:07:18,940 got a beautiful sky we went out to eat 2508 02:07:27,990 --> 02:07:24,130 and long about 8 or 8:30 I guess he 2509 02:07:32,040 --> 02:07:28,000 would know we decided we can sky watch 2510 02:07:34,080 --> 02:07:32,050 so we go out to my little man cave I 2511 02:07:37,050 --> 02:07:34,090 have a little shop in the yard and I 2512 02:07:39,270 --> 02:07:37,060 spent a lot of time and just we walked 2513 02:07:40,950 --> 02:07:39,280 we live on a cabin on a pond and his 2514 02:07:43,709 --> 02:07:40,960 private back in there sewed them back 2515 02:07:46,500 --> 02:07:43,719 into the pond it's darker so we walked 2516 02:07:52,050 --> 02:07:46,510 towards that way and I just looked up at 2517 02:07:54,780 --> 02:07:52,060 the heavens and I asked them I need a 2518 02:07:57,450 --> 02:07:54,790 sign if I'm supposed to allow dr. 2519 02:08:00,600 --> 02:07:57,460 McGuire to work with me and try to 2520 02:08:02,790 --> 02:08:00,610 capture some of this home still and no 2521 02:08:05,100 --> 02:08:02,800 longer than I said it right in front of 2522 02:08:08,160 --> 02:08:05,110 him he heard me but then the minute it 2523 02:08:11,430 --> 02:08:08,170 started appearing and it appeared for 2524 02:08:14,040 --> 02:08:11,440 over an hour and he's already talked 2525 02:08:16,770 --> 02:08:14,050 public about it and 2526 02:08:19,040 --> 02:08:16,780 I mean it was really incredible the they 2527 02:08:22,830 --> 02:08:19,050 were appearing in the trees orbs 2528 02:08:25,200 --> 02:08:22,840 shooting through the trees and you know 2529 02:08:30,720 --> 02:08:25,210 he'll tell the story but it changed his 2530 02:08:36,000 --> 02:08:30,730 life and then his wife will let him tell 2531 02:08:38,669 --> 02:08:36,010 this but she had had a stroke and was 2532 02:08:41,700 --> 02:08:38,679 suffering from the consequences of that 2533 02:08:44,100 --> 02:08:41,710 and when he goes home he starts having 2534 02:08:46,140 --> 02:08:44,110 experiences over the next five or six 2535 02:08:50,850 --> 02:08:46,150 days that were or two weeks that were 2536 02:08:55,410 --> 02:08:50,860 just incredible and his wife is cysts 2537 02:08:59,100 --> 02:08:55,420 being cured from her disability with 2538 02:09:02,129 --> 02:08:59,110 this stroke and so you know this is what 2539 02:09:04,580 --> 02:09:02,139 is going on through the years and I'll 2540 02:09:08,220 --> 02:09:04,590 leave him to tell the rest of it but 2541 02:09:11,850 --> 02:09:08,230 that's enough there when you add John 2542 02:09:14,549 --> 02:09:11,860 Alexander and chase clusky and some 2543 02:09:21,839 --> 02:09:14,559 folks from Raleigh they can all attest 2544 02:09:24,689 --> 02:09:21,849 to this ongoing and it hears us and I've 2545 02:09:27,930 --> 02:09:24,699 got some pretty amazing evidence to 2546 02:09:30,660 --> 02:09:27,940 share some that can't be debunked let's 2547 02:09:34,350 --> 02:09:30,670 put it that way sure yeah the burning 2548 02:09:38,489 --> 02:09:34,360 tree video is incredible and before we 2549 02:09:45,479 --> 02:09:38,499 start to wind this down I've got less 2550 02:09:50,310 --> 02:09:45,489 than 10 minutes left now that do you 2551 02:09:55,279 --> 02:09:50,320 think it's your property or do you think 2552 02:10:00,259 --> 02:09:55,289 it's you right is this is this a 2553 02:10:04,259 --> 02:10:00,269 geographical situation that is 2554 02:10:07,890 --> 02:10:04,269 attracting what is happening or do you 2555 02:10:10,979 --> 02:10:07,900 think that it is because of you it's not 2556 02:10:14,160 --> 02:10:10,989 the property I can I have plenty of 2557 02:10:18,750 --> 02:10:14,170 people that were vouched for it like you 2558 02:10:24,270 --> 02:10:18,760 know the our friend that introduced us 2559 02:10:27,180 --> 02:10:24,280 Lori she experienced it in Encinitas I 2560 02:10:30,479 --> 02:10:27,190 flew out to meet with a bunch of folks 2561 02:10:32,760 --> 02:10:30,489 and we walk right out on the the we 2562 02:10:36,930 --> 02:10:32,770 drove out on the Pacific Highway and 2563 02:10:38,490 --> 02:10:36,940 right around Encinitas there and I told 2564 02:10:41,070 --> 02:10:38,500 her daughter she was going to experience 2565 02:10:43,260 --> 02:10:41,080 his stuff I just knew she would that 2566 02:10:46,650 --> 02:10:43,270 night and sure enough a few minutes 2567 02:10:48,900 --> 02:10:46,660 later we were experiencing it close up 2568 02:10:52,200 --> 02:10:48,910 and it flew right over I had two of them 2569 02:10:56,100 --> 02:10:52,210 a couple 300 feet above us and they 2570 02:10:58,500 --> 02:10:56,110 joined together like one and just made 2571 02:11:00,840 --> 02:10:58,510 one object and shot off to the South so 2572 02:11:04,709 --> 02:11:00,850 it doesn't matter it's been here it's 2573 02:11:08,580 --> 02:11:04,719 been on anywhere you know it's the same 2574 02:11:11,100 --> 02:11:08,590 sky I look up California and see the 2575 02:11:14,220 --> 02:11:11,110 same stars that I see from my home and 2576 02:11:19,439 --> 02:11:14,230 and I just ask it to come and that 2577 02:11:23,550 --> 02:11:19,449 listens it hears me answers this ask for 2578 02:11:26,670 --> 02:11:23,560 signs I ask for answers and if it 2579 02:11:30,090 --> 02:11:26,680 appears then that's a big yes if it 2580 02:11:32,580 --> 02:11:30,100 doesn't appear then that's a big no you 2581 02:11:36,330 --> 02:11:32,590 said to me earlier tonight I'm just 2582 02:11:37,830 --> 02:11:36,340 gonna tell everybody so Chris and I are 2583 02:11:39,920 --> 02:11:37,840 talking before the show tonight he goes 2584 02:11:43,080 --> 02:11:39,930 Jimmy I'm just gonna let you know I 2585 02:11:48,060 --> 02:11:43,090 asked everybody I said so what about 2586 02:11:51,720 --> 02:11:48,070 this church guy and they said 2587 02:11:54,959 --> 02:11:51,730 affirmative and that makes me that makes 2588 02:11:57,120 --> 02:11:54,969 me feel pretty good actually I walked 2589 02:12:02,160 --> 02:11:57,130 out an hour before the show and I looked 2590 02:12:05,520 --> 02:12:02,170 up at the sky and I asked it if it if it 2591 02:12:08,550 --> 02:12:05,530 was gonna guide me and if it was what 2592 02:12:10,200 --> 02:12:08,560 I'm supposed to do tonight and like I 2593 02:12:13,229 --> 02:12:10,210 said I don't do anything unless I get 2594 02:12:15,600 --> 02:12:13,239 signs for it and it answered with a big 2595 02:12:18,090 --> 02:12:15,610 glowing orange orb appeared and flew a 2596 02:12:22,590 --> 02:12:18,100 piece and disappeared right in front of 2597 02:12:27,180 --> 02:12:22,600 me so I knew that I'm in the right hands 2598 02:12:30,630 --> 02:12:27,190 and and I appreciate that and and and so 2599 02:12:32,760 --> 02:12:30,640 does the audience there's another part 2600 02:12:37,870 --> 02:12:32,770 to this when you say it like that 2601 02:12:41,770 --> 02:12:37,880 which is now we are getting into the 2602 02:12:49,020 --> 02:12:41,780 zone of something spiritual possibly 2603 02:12:52,209 --> 02:12:49,030 religious possibly extraterrestrial and 2604 02:12:55,330 --> 02:12:52,219 this is where I stopped Chris and go you 2605 02:12:55,720 --> 02:12:55,340 know what just maybe it's all the same 2606 02:13:00,370 --> 02:12:55,730 thing 2607 02:13:04,479 --> 02:13:00,380 yep right I agree 100% is that where you 2608 02:13:07,149 --> 02:13:04,489 are today yes sir because the same orbs 2609 02:13:09,610 --> 02:13:07,159 you see that I you know everybody says 2610 02:13:12,729 --> 02:13:09,620 oh he's in or absorbs and I've been 2611 02:13:15,430 --> 02:13:12,739 saying orbs because that's what appeared 2612 02:13:20,410 --> 02:13:15,440 in those seven but those same orbs in 2613 02:13:22,840 --> 02:13:20,420 the daytime or shiny silver disc and I 2614 02:13:26,200 --> 02:13:22,850 have a lot of photo at that and video as 2615 02:13:28,360 --> 02:13:26,210 well they can be like a metal metallic 2616 02:13:32,470 --> 02:13:28,370 object or they can be a big ball of 2617 02:13:37,629 --> 02:13:32,480 glowing light so I think it's all in the 2618 02:13:40,479 --> 02:13:37,639 same or including ghosts and you know I 2619 02:13:42,879 --> 02:13:40,489 have a lot of orb photos of with people 2620 02:13:45,700 --> 02:13:42,889 and I'm in dogs in them and animals in 2621 02:13:48,090 --> 02:13:45,710 them so and I never could get any of 2622 02:13:51,310 --> 02:13:48,100 that until the experience with the lady 2623 02:13:53,410 --> 02:13:51,320 nothing I could not take a photo but 2624 02:13:57,689 --> 02:13:53,420 after that the floodgates opened and 2625 02:14:01,270 --> 02:13:57,699 then people like chase and her husband 2626 02:14:04,360 --> 02:14:01,280 had an experience a major experience 2627 02:14:07,479 --> 02:14:04,370 where we've lost time then a scientist 2628 02:14:08,890 --> 02:14:07,489 from Wake Forest University a government 2629 02:14:11,459 --> 02:14:08,900 research scientist 2630 02:14:13,810 --> 02:14:11,469 she and her assistant came and 2631 02:14:15,640 --> 02:14:13,820 experienced two hours of missing time 2632 02:14:19,060 --> 02:14:15,650 and she caught it on camera 2633 02:14:22,629 --> 02:14:19,070 she caught audio video of an entity 2634 02:14:25,810 --> 02:14:22,639 walking up to the tree a lot of stuff 2635 02:14:29,709 --> 02:14:25,820 that I've just never shared but all 2636 02:14:32,470 --> 02:14:29,719 these people shared it with me John 2637 02:14:35,890 --> 02:14:32,480 Alexander his book reality denied he 2638 02:14:39,430 --> 02:14:35,900 came here four or five years ago and my 2639 02:14:43,629 --> 02:14:39,440 daughter not and his wife Victoria we 2640 02:14:49,209 --> 02:14:43,639 went down to the river and of almost the 2641 02:14:51,430 --> 02:14:49,219 same time a night it was just after dark 2642 02:14:54,820 --> 02:14:51,440 good and the stars came out 2643 02:14:58,209 --> 02:14:54,830 and we were standing there against my 2644 02:15:00,400 --> 02:14:58,219 car and Emily was in the backseat with 2645 02:15:02,920 --> 02:15:00,410 her feet out the door and Victoria was 2646 02:15:04,840 --> 02:15:02,930 in the passenger side back seat with her 2647 02:15:08,470 --> 02:15:04,850 door closes she didn't get to see it but 2648 02:15:11,650 --> 02:15:08,480 Emily saw it clear I'm standing there 2649 02:15:14,350 --> 02:15:11,660 with John and all of a sudden my hair 2650 02:15:18,220 --> 02:15:14,360 stood up everywhere I felt it this this 2651 02:15:20,200 --> 02:15:18,230 you for a [\h__\h] Harley breed and I 2652 02:15:22,150 --> 02:15:20,210 said John it's here it's right above us 2653 02:15:25,330 --> 02:15:22,160 and about that time that this is the 2654 02:15:28,930 --> 02:15:25,340 crickets even stopped chirping just 2655 02:15:30,580 --> 02:15:28,940 completely stopped and ten seconds John 2656 02:15:33,550 --> 02:15:30,590 will tell you ten seconds later it 2657 02:15:35,680 --> 02:15:33,560 appeared above us and a big pulsating 2658 02:15:37,810 --> 02:15:35,690 ball of light it didn't fly over it 2659 02:15:40,689 --> 02:15:37,820 wasn't a satellite it was just not very 2660 02:15:42,790 --> 02:15:40,699 high above us a thousand feet maybe 2661 02:15:45,340 --> 02:15:42,800 above us but it appeared out of thin air 2662 02:15:47,520 --> 02:15:45,350 and started pulsing very brightly and 2663 02:15:50,910 --> 02:15:47,530 flew off and a hurry to the south and 2664 02:15:58,630 --> 02:15:50,920 John put that in his book 2nd chapter 2665 02:16:00,550 --> 02:15:58,640 reality denied no he's he's a pretty it 2666 02:16:05,170 --> 02:16:00,560 pretty much changed his life that night 2667 02:16:07,240 --> 02:16:05,180 too he saw well not only do I want to 2668 02:16:12,250 --> 02:16:07,250 thank you you never know who's listening 2669 02:16:16,240 --> 02:16:12,260 and as you mention Bob McGuire he just 2670 02:16:18,250 --> 02:16:16,250 tweeted by the way so Bob is listing and 2671 02:16:20,770 --> 02:16:18,260 he says it's not the property it follows 2672 02:16:22,600 --> 02:16:20,780 Chris around and I said ok here comes a 2673 02:16:25,930 --> 02:16:22,610 shout-out to Bob so I tweeted that out 2674 02:16:27,070 --> 02:16:25,940 Bob you got a shout out and yeah I gotta 2675 02:16:31,930 --> 02:16:27,080 get Bob on the show 2676 02:16:34,390 --> 02:16:31,940 talk him into it thank you so much Chris 2677 02:16:37,000 --> 02:16:34,400 absolutely extraordinary I can't wait 2678 02:16:40,330 --> 02:16:37,010 for part two and we'll talk about that 2679 02:16:42,190 --> 02:16:40,340 tomorrow off air but a great great 2680 02:16:43,839 --> 02:16:42,200 conversation tonight I was really 2681 02:16:46,030 --> 02:16:43,849 looking forward to this and so was 2682 02:16:48,790 --> 02:16:46,040 everybody else and I feel that we've 2683 02:16:51,339 --> 02:16:48,800 left so much on the table but yet we 2684 02:16:53,230 --> 02:16:51,349 discussed so much and and I want to 2685 02:16:55,540 --> 02:16:53,240 thank you for for taking the time 2686 02:16:58,810 --> 02:16:55,550 tonight thank you so much Chris thank 2687 02:17:00,640 --> 02:16:58,820 you for having man I knew I knew going 2688 02:17:03,100 --> 02:17:00,650 into this and I didn't before but 2689 02:17:04,500 --> 02:17:03,110 tonight I knew I was in the right hands 2690 02:17:07,169 --> 02:17:04,510 and 2691 02:17:09,240 --> 02:17:07,179 it's proven to be so I just want to 2692 02:17:13,019 --> 02:17:09,250 thank you for this Jim yeah thank you 2693 02:17:15,929 --> 02:17:13,029 Chris and and all the best have a great 2694 02:17:17,790 --> 02:17:15,939 safe rest of your evening I want you to 2695 02:17:19,919 --> 02:17:17,800 go out in the backyard and go yeah 2696 02:17:25,290 --> 02:17:19,929 you're right church wasn't that bad and 2697 02:17:27,900 --> 02:17:25,300 maybe maybe you get a little visit from 2698 02:17:30,480 --> 02:17:27,910 an orb thank you so much Chris and we'll 2699 02:17:34,469 --> 02:17:30,490 talk tomorrow man have a great night all 2700 02:17:37,200 --> 02:17:34,479 right thank you Chris what so and now 2701 02:17:39,780 --> 02:17:37,210 everybody we just went literally pulled 2702 02:17:41,400 --> 02:17:39,790 a pole I've got a roll credits and get 2703 02:17:43,830 --> 02:17:41,410 out of here before I'm cut off on the 2704 02:17:45,360 --> 02:17:43,840 network I want to thank Chris Bledsoe 2705 02:17:50,730 --> 02:17:45,370 for the conversation tonight and I know 2706 02:17:52,650 --> 02:17:50,740 that everybody enjoyed I was just I was 2707 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